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From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	hch@infradead.org
Subject: Re: merging the per-bdi writeback patchset
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:55:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090623085505.GU31415@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090623014835.1fc8fb14.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

On Tue, Jun 23 2009, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:11:56 +0200 Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com> wrote:
> 
> > Things are looking good for this patchset and it's been in -next for
> > almost a week without any reports of problems. So I'd like to merge it
> > for 2.6.31 if at all possible. Any objections?
> 
> erk.  I was rather expecting I'd have time to have a look at it all.

OK, we can wait if we have to, just trying to avoid having to keep this
fresh for one full cycle. I have posted this patchset 11 times though
over months, so it's not like it's a new piece of work :-)

> It's unclear to me actually _why_ the performance changes which were
> observed have actually occurred.  In fact it's a bit unclear (to me)
> why the patchset was written and what it sets out to achieve :(

It started out trying to get rid of the pdflush uneven writeout. If you
look at various pdflush intensive workloads, even on a single disk you
often have 5 or more pdflush threads working the same device. It's just
not optimal. Another issue was starvation with request allocation. Given
that pdflush does non-blocking writes (it has to, by design), pdflush
can potentially be starved if someone else is working the device.

> A long time ago the XFS guys (Dave Chinner iirc) said that XFS needs
> more than one thread per device to keep the device saturated.  Did that
> get addressed?

It supports up to 32-threads per device, but Chinner et all have been
silent. So the support is there and there's a
super_operations->inode_get_wb() to map a dirty inode to a writeback
device. Nobody is doing that yet though.

> (kthread_run() returns an ERR_PTR() on error, btw - not NULL.)

Oh thanks, will fix that up.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-23  8:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-23  8:11 merging the per-bdi writeback patchset Jens Axboe
2009-06-23  8:48 ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-23  8:55   ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2009-06-23 10:28     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-06-23 10:56       ` Jens Axboe
2009-06-23 11:19         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-06-23 11:28           ` Jens Axboe
2009-06-23 11:44             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-06-23 15:01     ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-24 10:04       ` Jens Axboe
2009-06-23 11:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-06-23 11:12   ` Jens Axboe
2009-06-23 11:17     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-06-23 11:52       ` Jens Axboe
2009-06-23 12:20         ` Jens Axboe

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