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From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
To: Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>
Cc: sfi-devel@simplefirmware.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC/PATCH 2.6.32] Simple Firmware Interface (SFI): initial support
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:51:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090623185120.GA13824@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0906231438190.23079@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 02:41:28PM -0400, Len Brown wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> 
> > There seems to be a huge amount of overlap between SFI and ACPI.
> > Couldn't this have simply taken the form of some additional ACPI tables 
> > and a decoupling of ACPI enumeration from runtime AML interpretation? 
> > How final is this spec?
> 
> > I realise that we're pretty much constrained to implementing this if 
> > hardware actually ships with it, but it seems to be an additional 
> > firmware interface with no real benefit - as far as I can tell it's not 
> > possible for a platform to meaningfully implement both ACPI and SFI 
> > without duplicating information?
> 
> Please let me know if your questions are not thoroughly answered here:
> http://simplefirmware.org/faq

Yeah, I read that and it didn't really seem to clear things up. There's 
no especially meaningful reason for a specialised platform to include 
any AML code - the closest equivalent case I'm thinking of is "acpi=ht" 
where we parse some static ACPI tables but don't do any runtime 
interpretation. In this universe, SFI would simply have been some 
specced additional tables and a build option to include table parsing 
but not the interpreter.

I appreciate that if this is what's going to be on the hardware then 
we're stuck with it, but I'm hugely unconvinced that this couldn't have 
taken the form of "embedded ACPI" rather than an entire new firmware 
interface.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-06-23 18:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-23  7:13 [RFC/PATCH 2.6.32] Simple Firmware Interface (SFI): initial support Len Brown
2009-06-23  7:13 ` [PATCH 1/8] SFI: Simple Firmware Interface - new Linux sub-system Len Brown
2009-06-23  7:14   ` [PATCH 2/8] SFI: include/linux/sfi.h Len Brown
2009-06-23  7:28     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-23  7:47       ` Feng Tang
2009-06-23  8:00         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-23  8:02           ` Feng Tang
2009-06-23  8:09             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-23 15:14               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-06-30 21:57       ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-30 21:59         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-23  9:06     ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-06-23 15:52       ` Feng Tang
2009-06-23 19:26         ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-06-23  7:14   ` [PATCH 3/8] SFI: core support Len Brown
2009-06-23  7:56     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-23  8:32       ` Feng Tang
2009-06-23  9:03         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-23  9:15           ` Feng Tang
2009-06-23 17:20       ` Len Brown
2009-06-23 19:20         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-23 12:32     ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-23 16:57       ` Len Brown
2009-06-24  3:34       ` Feng Tang
2009-06-24  7:12         ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-24  7:40           ` Feng Tang
2009-06-24  7:55             ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-23  7:14   ` [PATCH 4/8] SFI: Hook boot-time initialization Len Brown
2009-06-23  7:14   ` [PATCH 5/8] SFI: Hook e820 memory map initialization Len Brown
2009-06-23  7:14   ` [PATCH 6/8] SFI: add ACPI extensions Len Brown
2009-06-23 12:18     ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-23 16:51       ` Len Brown
2009-06-23  7:14   ` [PATCH 7/8] SFI, PCI: Hook MMCONFIG Len Brown
2009-06-23  7:14   ` [PATCH 8/8] SFI: expose IO-APIC routines to SFI, not just ACPI Len Brown
2009-06-23  7:58     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-23  7:23   ` [PATCH 1/8] SFI: Simple Firmware Interface - new Linux sub-system Ingo Molnar
2009-06-23 18:31 ` [RFC/PATCH 2.6.32] Simple Firmware Interface (SFI): initial support Matthew Garrett
2009-06-23 18:41   ` Len Brown
2009-06-22 19:43     ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-24 21:13       ` Len Brown
2009-07-11 22:02         ` Pavel Machek
2009-07-13  3:25           ` [SFI-devel] " Peter Stuge
2009-06-23 18:51     ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2009-06-23 20:00       ` Len Brown
2009-06-23 20:23         ` Matthew Garrett
2009-06-23 20:45           ` Matthew Garrett
2009-06-23 21:23             ` Alan Cox
2009-06-23 22:34               ` Len Brown
2009-06-23 22:20             ` Len Brown
2009-06-23 22:56               ` Matthew Garrett
2009-06-23 23:00               ` [SFI-devel] " Justen, Jordan L
2009-06-24  0:35                 ` Len Brown
2009-06-23 21:33           ` Len Brown

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