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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, arjan@infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cl@linux-foundation.org,
	npiggin@suse.de
Subject: Re: upcoming kerneloops.org item: get_page_from_freelist
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:07:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090624150714.c7264768.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.01.0906241334260.3154@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:40:11 -0700 (PDT)
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> 
> 
> On Wed, 24 Jun 2009, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > On Wed, 24 Jun 2009, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > 
> > > If the caller gets oom-killed, the allocation attempt fails.  Callers need
> > > to handle that.
> > 
> > I actually disagree. I think we should just admit that we can always free 
> > up enough space to get a few pages, in order to then oom-kill things.
> 
> Btw, if you want to change the WARN_ON() to warn when you're in the 
> "allocate in order to free memory" recursive case, then I'd have no issues 
> with that.
> 
> In fact, in that case it probably shouldn't even be conditional on the 
> order. 
> 
> So a
> 
> 	WARN_ON_ONCE((p->flags & PF_MEMALLOC) && (gfpmask & __GFP_NOFAIL));
> 
> actually makes tons of sense. 

I suspect that warning will trigger.

alloc_pages
-> ...
  -> pageout
    -> ...
      -> get_request
        -> blk_alloc_request
          -> elv_set_request
            -> cfq_set_request
              -> cfq_get_queue
                -> cfq_find_alloc_queue
                  -> kmem_cache_alloc_node(__GFP_NOFAIL)
                    -> Jens

How much this can happen in practice I don't know, but it looks bad.

> There are other cases where __GFP_NOFAIL doesn't make sense too, and that 
> could be warned about. The __GFP_NORETRY thing was already mentioned. 
> Similarly, !__GFP_WAIT doesn't work with __GFP_NOFAIL - because the nofail 
> obviously relies on being able to do something about the failure case.
> 
> We might want to also have rules like "in order to have NOFAIL, you need 
> to allow IO and FS accesses". 

Sure, that's sane.

fs/jbd/journal.c:       new_bh = alloc_buffer_head(GFP_NOFS|__GFP_NOFAIL);

But that isn't :(

> So I don't mind warnings with __GFP_NOFAIL. I just think they should be 
> relevant, and make sense. The "order > 0" one is neither.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-24 22:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-24 15:07 upcoming kerneloops.org item: get_page_from_freelist Arjan van de Ven
2009-06-24 16:46 ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-24 16:52   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-24 16:55   ` Pekka Enberg
2009-06-24 16:56     ` Pekka Enberg
2009-06-24 17:00       ` Pekka Enberg
2009-06-24 17:55     ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-24 17:53       ` Pekka Enberg
2009-06-24 18:30         ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-24 18:42           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-24 18:44             ` Pekka Enberg
2009-06-24 18:50               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-24 19:12                 ` Pekka J Enberg
2009-06-24 19:21                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-24 19:06             ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-24 19:16               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-24 19:36                 ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-24 19:46                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-24 19:47                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-24 20:01                     ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-24 20:13                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-24 20:40                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-24 22:07                           ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2009-06-25  4:05                             ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-25 13:25                             ` Theodore Tso
2009-06-25 18:51                               ` David Rientjes
2009-06-25 19:38                                 ` Theodore Tso
2009-06-25 19:44                                   ` Theodore Tso
2009-06-25 19:55                                     ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-25 20:11                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-25 20:22                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-25 20:36                                         ` David Rientjes
2009-06-25 20:51                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-25 22:25                                             ` David Rientjes
2009-06-26  8:51                                         ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-25 20:18                                     ` David Rientjes
2009-06-25 20:37                                       ` Theodore Tso
2009-06-25 21:05                                         ` Joel Becker
2009-06-25 21:26                                         ` Andreas Dilger
2009-06-25 22:05                                           ` Theodore Tso
2009-06-25 22:11                                             ` Eric Sandeen
2009-06-26  1:11                                               ` Theodore Tso
2009-06-26  5:16                                                 ` Pekka J Enberg
2009-06-26  8:56                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-26  8:58                                                     ` Pekka Enberg
2009-06-26  9:07                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-29 21:06                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2009-06-30  7:59                                                         ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-26 14:41                                                   ` Eric Sandeen
2009-06-29 21:15                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-06-29 21:20                                                       ` Eric Sandeen
2009-06-29 22:35                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-06-25 19:55                             ` Jens Axboe
2009-06-25 20:08                               ` Jens Axboe
2009-06-24 21:56                         ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-25  4:14                           ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-25  8:21                           ` David Rientjes
2009-06-29 15:30                           ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-29 19:20                             ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-30 11:00                               ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-30 19:35                                 ` David Rientjes
2009-06-30 20:32                                   ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-30 20:51                                     ` David Rientjes
2009-07-01 10:22                                       ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-29 23:35                             ` David Rientjes
2009-06-30  7:47                               ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-30  8:13                                 ` David Rientjes
2009-06-30  8:24                                   ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-30  8:41                                     ` David Rientjes
2009-06-30  9:09                                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-30 19:47                                         ` David Rientjes
2009-06-30  6:27                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-28 10:16                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-28 18:01                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-28 18:27                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-06-28 18:36                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-30  7:35                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-24 18:43           ` Pekka Enberg

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