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From: Henrik Austad <henrik@austad.us>
To: Ted Baker <baker@cs.fsu.edu>
Cc: Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com>, Raistlin <raistlin@linux.it>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Douglas Niehaus <niehaus@ittc.ku.edu>,
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	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
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	Giuseppe Lipari <lipari@retis.sssup.it>
Subject: Re: RFC for a new Scheduling policy/class in the Linux-kernel
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:17:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200907160917.10098.henrik@austad.us> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090715221410.GE14993@cs.fsu.edu>

On Thursday 16 July 2009 00:14:11 Ted Baker wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:24:26PM -0600, Chris Friesen wrote:
> > > - that A's budget is not diminished.
> >
> > If we're running B with A's priority, presumably it will get some amount
> > of cpu time above and beyond what it would normally have gotten during a
> > particular scheduling interval.  Perhaps it would make sense to charge B
> > what it would normally have gotten, and charge the excess amount to A?
>
> First, why will B get any excess time, if is charged?

My understanding of PEP is that when B executes through the A-proxy, B will 
consume parts of A's resources until the lock is freed. This makes sense when 
A and B runs on different CPUs and B is moved (temporarily) to CPU#A. If B 
were to use it's own budget when running here, once A resumes execution and 
exhaustes its entire budget, you can have over-utilization on that CPU (and 
under-util on CPU#B).

> There will 
> certainly be excess time used in any context switch, including
> premptions and blocking/unblocking for locks, but that will come
> out of some task's budget. 

AFAIK, there are no such things as preemption-overhead charging to a task's 
budget in the kernel today. This time simply vanishes and must be compensated 
for when running a task through the acceptance-stage (say, only 95% util pr 
CPU or some such).

> Given the realities of the scheduler, 
> the front-end portion of the context-switch will be charged to the
> preempted or blocking task, and the back-end portion of the
> context-switch cost will be charged to the task to which the CPU
> is switched.  

> In a cross-processor proxy situation like the one 
> above we have four switches: (1) from A to C on processor #1; (2)
> from whatever else (call it D) that was running on processor #2 to
> B, when B receives A's priority; (3) from B back to D when B
> releasse the lock; (4) from C to A when A gets the lock.  A will
> naturally be charged for the front-end cost of (1) and the
> back-end cost of (4), and B will naturally be charged for the
> back-end cost of (2) and the front-end cost of (3).
>
> The budget of each task must be over-provisioned enough to
> allow for these additional costs.  This is messy, but seems
> unavoidable, and is an important reason for using scheduling
> policies that minimize context switches.
>
> Back to the original question, of who should be charged for
> the actual critical section.

That depends on where you want to run the tasks. If you want to migrate B to 
CPU#A, A should be charged. If you run B on CPU#B, then B should be charged 
(for the exact same reasoning A should be charged in the first case).

The beauty of PEP, is that enabling B to run is very easy. In the case where B 
runs on CPU#B, B must be updated statically so that the scheduler will 
trigger on the new priority. In PEP, this is done automatically when A is 
picked. One solution to this, would be to migrate A to CPU#B and insert A 
into the runqueue there. However, then you add more overhead by moving the 
task around instead of just 'borrowing' the task_struct.

> From the schedulability analysis point of view, B is getting
> higher priority time than it normally would be allowed to execute,
> potentially causing priority inversion (a.k.a. "interference" or
> "blocking") to a higher priority task D (which does not even share
> a need for the lock that B is holding) that would otherwise run on
> the same processor as B.  Without priority inheritance this kind
> of interferfence would not happen.  So, we are benefiting A at the
> expense of D. In the analysis, we can either allow for all such
> interference in a "blocking term" in the analysis for D, or we
> might call it "preemption" in the analysis of D and charge it to A
> (if A has higher priority than D).  Is the latter any better?  

If D has higher priority than A, then neither A nor B (with the locks held) 
should be allowed to run before D.

> I 
> think not, since we now have to inflate the nominal WCET of A to
> include all of the critical sections that block it.
>
> So, it seems most logical and simplest to leave the charges where
> they naturally occur, on B.  That is, if you allow priority
> inheritance, you allow tasks to sometimes run at higher priority
> than they originally were allocated, but not to execute more
> than originally budgeted.

Yes, no task should be allowed to run more than the budget, but that requires 
B to execute *only* on CPU#B. 

On the other hand, one could say that if you run PEP and B is executed on 
CPU#A, and A then exhausts its budget, you could blame A as well, as 
lock-contention is a common problem and it's not only the kernel's fault. Do 
we need perfect or best-effort lock-resolving?

> Ted

-- 
     henrik

  reply	other threads:[~2009-07-16  7:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-10 21:50 RFC for a new Scheduling policy/class in the Linux-kernel Henrik Austad
2009-07-11 18:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-12  2:40   ` Douglas Niehaus
2009-07-12 15:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-13 15:44       ` Raistlin
2009-07-13 16:33         ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 10:47           ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 11:03             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 18:19               ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 14:48             ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 15:19               ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-14 16:31                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 16:54                   ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-14 19:28                     ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-14 19:33                       ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-15 21:53                       ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17  7:40                         ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-17 13:37                           ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15  4:25                     ` Bjoern B. Brandenburg
2009-07-15 20:55                     ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15 21:53                       ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-15 22:34                         ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15 22:39                           ` Dhaval Giani
2009-07-15 23:16                             ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16  8:58                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-16  9:11                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-17  0:32                                 ` Raistlin
2009-07-17  0:43                                 ` Raistlin
2009-07-16 12:17                               ` Raistlin
2009-07-16 23:29                       ` Raistlin
2009-07-18 20:12                         ` Michal Sojka
2009-07-14 17:16                   ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-15 21:19                     ` Ted Baker
2009-07-14 19:54                   ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 16:48               ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 18:24                 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 19:14                   ` Raistlin
2009-07-15 22:14                   ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16  7:17                     ` Henrik Austad [this message]
2009-07-16 23:13                       ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17  0:19                         ` Raistlin
2009-07-17  7:31                         ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-16 14:46                     ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-16 22:34                       ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 23:07                         ` Raistlin
2009-07-15 21:45               ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15 22:12                 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-15 22:52                   ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17 13:35             ` Giuseppe Lipari
2009-07-13 17:25         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-13 18:14           ` Noah Watkins
2009-07-13 20:13             ` Ted Baker
2009-07-13 21:45               ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 11:16                 ` Raistlin
2009-07-15 23:11                 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16  7:58                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-16  8:52                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-07-16 12:17                     ` Raistlin
2009-07-16 12:59                       ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-16 13:37                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-16 22:15                     ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 22:34                       ` Karthik Singaram Lakshmanan
2009-07-16 23:38                         ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17  1:44                           ` Karthik Singaram Lakshmanan
2009-07-16 15:17                   ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-16 21:26                     ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 22:08                       ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-16 23:54                         ` Ted Baker
2009-07-14  9:15             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 19:07               ` Raistlin
2009-07-13 17:28         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 19:47           ` Raistlin
     [not found]     ` <002301ca0403$47f9d9d0$d7ed8d70$@tlh@comcast.net>
2009-07-13 23:47       ` Douglas Niehaus
2009-07-14  7:27         ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14  7:44           ` Douglas Niehaus
2009-07-12  6:17   ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-13  9:55   ` Raistlin
2009-07-13 10:14     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-13 16:06       ` Raistlin
2009-07-14  8:42         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14  9:36           ` Raistlin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-07-16 17:54 Raj Rajkumar

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