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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@sophos.com>
Cc: Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: fanotify - overall design before I start sending patches
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 12:10:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090806101059.GD31370@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200908051746.17903.tvrtko.ursulin@sophos.com>

On Wed 2009-08-05 17:46:16, Tvrtko Ursulin wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 August 2009 03:05:34 Pavel Machek wrote:
> > BTW my -@suse.cz address no longer works. pavel@ucw.cz should be ok.
> >
> > > If a FAN_ACCESS_PERM or FAN_OPEN_PERM event is received the listener
> > > must send a response before the 5 second timeout.  If no response is
> > > sent before the 5 second timeout the original operation is allowed.  If
> > > this happens too many times (10 in a row) the fanotify group is evicted
> > > from the kernel and will not get any new events.  Sending a response is
> > > done using the setsockopt() call with the socket options set to
> > > FANOTIFY_ACCESS_RESPONSE.  The buffer should contain a structure like:
> >
> > The timeout part of interface is very ugly. Will fanotify users have
> > to be realtime/mlocked?
> 
> Why do you think it is very ugly?

Do I need to explain?

> Just to make sure you haven't missed this - it is not that they have to 
> complete the whole operation before the timeout period (since you mention 
> realtime/mlock I suspect this is what you think?), but _during_ the operation 
> they have to show that they are active by sending something like keep alive 
> messages.
> 
> Or you are worried about failing to meet even that on a loaded system? There 
> has to be something like this otherwise hung userspace client would kill the 
> whole system.

Of course, I'm worried about failing to meet this on loaded
system. And the fact that I _have_ to worry about that means that
interface is ugly/broken.
									Pavel
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  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-06 10:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-24 20:13 fanotify - overall design before I start sending patches Eric Paris
2009-07-24 20:48 ` david
2009-07-24 21:01   ` Eric Paris
2009-07-24 21:44     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-27 17:52       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-07-29 20:11         ` Eric Paris
2009-07-24 21:00 ` Andreas Dilger
2009-07-24 21:21   ` Eric Paris
2009-07-24 22:42     ` Andreas Dilger
2009-07-24 23:01       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-24 22:48 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-24 23:25   ` Eric Paris
2009-07-24 23:46     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-24 23:49   ` Eric Paris
2009-07-25  0:29     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-27 18:33       ` Andreas Dilger
2009-07-27 19:23         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-28 17:59           ` Andreas Dilger
2009-07-29 20:14           ` Eric Paris
2009-07-29 20:12         ` Eric Paris
2009-07-29 20:07       ` Eric Paris
2009-07-27 16:54   ` Jan Kara
2009-07-25 14:22 ` Niraj kumar
2009-07-29 20:08   ` Eric Paris
2009-07-28 11:48 ` Jon Masters
2009-07-29 20:20   ` Eric Paris
2009-08-03 16:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-03 16:55   ` Eric Paris
2009-08-03 18:04     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-03 18:13       ` Eric Paris
2009-08-04 16:09 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-04 16:27   ` Eric Paris
2009-08-04 16:39     ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-04 17:22     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-08-04 18:20       ` John Stoffel
2009-08-04 18:50         ` Eric Paris
2009-08-05  9:32         ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-04 16:34 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-05 10:12   ` Douglas Leeder
2009-08-05 10:35   ` Douglas Leeder
2009-08-05  2:05 ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-05 16:46   ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-06 10:10     ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2009-08-06 10:20       ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-06 10:24         ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-06 10:20       ` Douglas Leeder
2009-08-06 10:22         ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-07  8:59           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-06 10:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-06 10:59           ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-06 11:23             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-06 12:48               ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-06 12:58                 ` Alan Cox
2009-08-06 18:18                   ` Eric Paris
2009-08-06 13:50               ` Kernel Event Notification Subsystem (was: fanotify - overall design before I start sending patches) Al Boldi
2009-08-06 18:18               ` fanotify - overall design before I start sending patches Eric Paris
2009-08-07 16:36                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-08-07 17:43                   ` Eric Paris
2009-08-08 10:36                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-10 10:03                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-08-08 10:34                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-06 11:24             ` Pavel Machek

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