From: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
To: Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>
Cc: Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
Jan Blunck <jblunck@suse.de>,
gregkh@suse.de, Harald Hoyer <harald@redhat.com>,
Scott James Remnant <scott@ubuntu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Driver Core: devtmpfs - kernel-maintained tmpfs-based /dev
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:49:31 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090811154931.GA25079@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200908111818.16399.a1426z@gawab.com>
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 06:18:16PM +0300, Al Boldi wrote:
> Greg KH wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 06:48:26AM +0300, Al Boldi wrote:
> > > Linux used to be lean and mean which made it fun to work with, and which
> > > made the switch from the competition easy. Nowadays I see a lot of bloat
> > > going into the kernel which may indicate that Linux is starting to run
> > > out of steam.
> >
> > That doesn't seem to make sense, if more development is happening, and
> > our number of contributors, different companies, and rate of change is
> > increasing, how are we "running out of steam"?
>
> Running out of "quality steam". Quantity can never replace Quality.
>
> > What specific development number is proof of us slowing down? I see
> > nothing but the exact, and extreme, opposite thing happening.
>
> The increasing number of regressions are probably cause for concern.
Is that just because we are paying more attention? Or the fact that our
code base is increasing? Or something else?
> > > devtmpfs seems bloaty due to the hotplug dependency.
> >
> > Would you use it if we fix it to remove this dependancy?
>
> Yes, if it also compares to static /dev in terms of speed.
So again, you want something for free? Good luck.
> > So what really is your objection here? That we did not let devtmpfs
> > work within a CONFIG_HOTPLUG=n type system?
>
> Yes.
Patches gladly welcome.
> > Or that devtmpfs works with
> > the existing CONFIG_HOTPLUG=y systems (i.e. 99% of the world)?
>
> And that should stay an option.
Again, I don't really believe that you use a CONFIG_HOTPLUG=n system in
the real world, so barring a patch from you or anyone else, I'll leave
it as-is.
thanks,
greg k-h
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-08-11 15:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-08-05 17:15 [PATCH] Driver Core: devtmpfs - kernel-maintained tmpfs-based /dev Greg KH
2009-08-05 17:43 ` David Vrabel
2009-08-05 17:55 ` Greg KH
2009-08-05 18:20 ` Alan Cox
2009-08-05 18:28 ` Greg KH
2009-08-05 18:51 ` Greg KH
2009-08-06 15:46 ` Andi Kleen
2009-08-06 16:20 ` David Dillow
2009-08-06 17:10 ` Andi Kleen
2009-08-06 18:31 ` Greg KH
2009-08-07 15:47 ` Phil Turmel
2009-08-08 23:07 ` David Dillow
2009-08-10 15:39 ` Greg KH
2009-08-11 14:36 ` David Dillow
2009-08-11 14:55 ` Andi Kleen
2009-08-12 0:04 ` Marcel Holtmann
2009-08-12 0:25 ` David Dillow
2009-08-12 0:34 ` Greg KH
2009-08-12 4:31 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-08-12 12:56 ` David Dillow
2009-08-12 13:44 ` Greg KH
2009-08-12 14:09 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-08-12 15:25 ` Greg KH
2009-08-12 14:39 ` David Dillow
2009-08-12 15:26 ` Greg KH
2009-08-12 15:57 ` David Dillow
2009-08-12 7:31 ` Andi Kleen
2009-08-12 12:50 ` David Dillow
2009-08-12 14:07 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-08-12 14:14 ` Andi Kleen
2009-08-10 9:04 ` Scott James Remnant
2009-08-06 17:06 ` Al Boldi
2009-08-06 17:15 ` Kay Sievers
2009-08-06 17:27 ` Al Boldi
2009-08-06 17:31 ` Kay Sievers
2009-08-06 18:36 ` Greg KH
2009-08-06 20:18 ` Al Boldi
2009-08-06 20:49 ` Greg KH
2009-08-07 4:03 ` Al Boldi
2009-08-07 4:25 ` Greg KH
2009-08-07 5:04 ` Al Boldi
2009-08-07 5:20 ` Greg KH
2009-08-07 12:49 ` Al Boldi
2009-08-07 15:13 ` Greg KH
2009-08-07 15:51 ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-07 16:06 ` Kay Sievers
2009-08-07 21:17 ` Al Boldi
2009-08-07 22:24 ` Greg KH
2009-08-08 9:14 ` Al Boldi
2009-08-08 17:11 ` Greg KH
2009-08-08 18:55 ` Al Boldi
2009-08-10 15:40 ` Greg KH
2009-08-11 3:48 ` Al Boldi
2009-08-11 4:04 ` Greg KH
2009-08-11 15:18 ` Al Boldi
2009-08-11 15:49 ` Greg KH [this message]
2009-08-11 16:04 ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-11 16:51 ` Greg KH
2009-08-12 4:25 ` Al Boldi
2009-08-10 9:01 ` Scott James Remnant
2009-08-10 12:05 ` Al Boldi
2009-08-10 12:39 ` Scott James Remnant
2009-08-10 9:22 ` Harald Hoyer
2009-08-08 22:19 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-08-05 20:55 ` Alan Jenkins
2009-08-06 0:06 ` Greg KH
2009-08-06 0:19 ` Kay Sievers
2009-08-07 0:27 ` Greg KH
2009-08-09 12:09 ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-10 16:36 ` Greg KH
2009-08-10 15:54 ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-12 1:20 ` Kay Sievers
2009-08-12 21:33 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-08-12 22:08 ` Greg KH
2009-08-13 8:25 ` Xavier Bestel
2009-08-13 8:55 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-08-13 2:18 ` Ming Lei
2009-08-13 2:53 ` Greg KH
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