From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
raz ben yehuda <raziebe@gmail.com>,
Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>,
Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com>,
Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
riel@redhat.com, andrew motron <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
wiseman@macs.biu.ac.il, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RFC: THE OFFLINE SCHEDULER
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:08:12 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090826210812.GA22765@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0908261627110.5554@gentwo.org>
* Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> > to have sharp teeth nor any apparent poison fangs) - i simply
> > concur with the reasons Peter listed that it is a technically
> > inferior solution.
>
> Ok so you are saying that the reduction of OS latencies will make
> the processor completely available and have no disturbances like
> OFFLINE scheduling?
I'm saying that your lack of trying to reduce even low-hanging-fruit
latency sources that were pointed out to you fundamentally destroys
your credibility in claiming that they are unfixable for all
practical purposes.
Or, to come up with a car analogy: it's a bit as if at a repair shop
you complained that your car has a scratch on its cooler grid that
annoys you, and you insisted that it be outfitted with a new diesel
engine which needs no cooler grid (throwing away the nice Hemi block
it has currently) - and ignored the mechanic's opinion that he loves
the Hemi and that to him the scratch looks very much like bird-sh*t
and that a proper car wash might do the trick too ;-)
> Peter has not given a solution to the problem. Nor have you.
What do you mean by 'has given a solution' - a patch?
Peter mentioned a few things that you can try to reduce the
worst-case latency of the timer tick.
Peter also implemented the hr-tick solution (CONFIG_SCHED_HRTICK) -
it's mostly upstream but disabled because it had problems - if you
are interested in improving this area you can fix and complete it.
That would benefit ordinary Linux users too, not just rare isolation
apps.
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-08-26 21:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-08-22 23:27 RFC: THE OFFLINE SCHEDULER raz ben yehuda
2009-08-23 5:21 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-23 9:09 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-23 7:30 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-23 11:05 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-23 9:52 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-25 15:23 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-25 17:56 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-25 18:03 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-25 18:12 ` Mike Galbraith
[not found] ` <5d96567b0908251522m3fd4ab98n76a52a34a11e874c@mail.gmail.com>
2009-08-25 22:32 ` Fwd: " Raz
2009-08-25 19:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-25 19:18 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-25 19:22 ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-25 20:35 ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2009-08-26 5:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-26 10:29 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-26 8:02 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-26 8:16 ` Raz
2009-08-26 13:47 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 14:45 ` Maxim Levitsky
2009-08-26 14:54 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-26 15:06 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-08-26 15:11 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-26 15:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-26 15:41 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 16:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-26 16:16 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-08-26 16:20 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 18:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-26 19:15 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 19:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-26 20:40 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 20:50 ` Andrew Morton
2009-08-26 21:09 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 21:15 ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-26 21:37 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-27 16:51 ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-27 17:04 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-27 21:09 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-27 22:22 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-28 2:15 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-28 3:33 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-28 4:27 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-28 10:26 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28 18:57 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-28 19:23 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28 19:52 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-28 20:00 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28 20:21 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-28 20:34 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-31 19:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-31 17:44 ` Roland Dreier
2009-09-01 18:42 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-09-01 16:15 ` Roland Dreier
2009-08-29 17:03 ` jim owens
2009-08-31 19:22 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-31 15:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-01 18:46 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-28 6:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-27 23:51 ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-28 0:44 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28 21:20 ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-28 18:43 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-27 21:33 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-27 22:05 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28 8:38 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-28 10:05 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28 13:25 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-28 13:37 ` jim owens
2009-08-28 15:22 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-26 21:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-27 2:55 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2009-08-26 21:34 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-26 21:08 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-08-26 21:26 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 21:32 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-27 7:15 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-26 15:37 ` Chetan.Loke
2009-08-26 15:21 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-08-25 21:09 ` Éric Piel
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