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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	raz ben yehuda <raziebe@gmail.com>,
	Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>,
	Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	riel@redhat.com, andrew motron <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	wiseman@macs.biu.ac.il, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RFC: THE OFFLINE SCHEDULER
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:08:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090826210812.GA22765@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0908261627110.5554@gentwo.org>


* Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> > to have sharp teeth nor any apparent poison fangs) - i simply 
> > concur with the reasons Peter listed that it is a technically 
> > inferior solution.
> 
> Ok so you are saying that the reduction of OS latencies will make 
> the processor completely available and have no disturbances like 
> OFFLINE scheduling?

I'm saying that your lack of trying to reduce even low-hanging-fruit 
latency sources that were pointed out to you fundamentally destroys 
your credibility in claiming that they are unfixable for all 
practical purposes.

Or, to come up with a car analogy: it's a bit as if at a repair shop 
you complained that your car has a scratch on its cooler grid that 
annoys you, and you insisted that it be outfitted with a new diesel 
engine which needs no cooler grid (throwing away the nice Hemi block 
it has currently) - and ignored the mechanic's opinion that he loves 
the Hemi and that to him the scratch looks very much like bird-sh*t 
and that a proper car wash might do the trick too ;-)

> Peter has not given a solution to the problem. Nor have you.

What do you mean by 'has given a solution' - a patch?

Peter mentioned a few things that you can try to reduce the 
worst-case latency of the timer tick.

Peter also implemented the hr-tick solution (CONFIG_SCHED_HRTICK) - 
it's mostly upstream but disabled because it had problems - if you 
are interested in improving this area you can fix and complete it.

That would benefit ordinary Linux users too, not just rare isolation 
apps.

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-08-26 21:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-22 23:27 RFC: THE OFFLINE SCHEDULER raz ben yehuda
2009-08-23  5:21 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-23  9:09   ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-23  7:30     ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-23 11:05       ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-23  9:52         ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-25 15:23           ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-25 17:56             ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-25 18:03               ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-25 18:12                 ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                   ` <5d96567b0908251522m3fd4ab98n76a52a34a11e874c@mail.gmail.com>
2009-08-25 22:32                     ` Fwd: " Raz
2009-08-25 19:08                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-25 19:18                   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-25 19:22                   ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-25 20:35                     ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2009-08-26  5:31                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-26 10:29                       ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-26  8:02                         ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-26  8:16                           ` Raz
2009-08-26 13:47                         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 14:45                           ` Maxim Levitsky
2009-08-26 14:54                             ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-26 15:06                               ` Pekka Enberg
2009-08-26 15:11                                 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-26 15:30                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-26 15:41                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 16:03                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-26 16:16                                     ` Pekka Enberg
2009-08-26 16:20                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 18:04                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-26 19:15                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 19:32                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-26 20:40                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 20:50                                               ` Andrew Morton
2009-08-26 21:09                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 21:15                                                 ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-26 21:37                                                   ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-27 16:51                                                     ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-27 17:04                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-27 21:09                                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-27 22:22                                                           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-28  2:15                                                             ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-28  3:33                                                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-28  4:27                                                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-28 10:26                                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28 18:57                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-28 19:23                                                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28 19:52                                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-28 20:00                                                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28 20:21                                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-28 20:34                                                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-31 19:19                                                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-31 17:44                                                                                   ` Roland Dreier
2009-09-01 18:42                                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-09-01 16:15                                                                                       ` Roland Dreier
2009-08-29 17:03                                                                               ` jim owens
2009-08-31 19:22                                                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-31 15:33                                                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-01 18:46                                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-28  6:14                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-27 23:51                                                           ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-28  0:44                                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28 21:20                                                               ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-28 18:43                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-27 21:33                                                       ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-27 22:05                                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28  8:38                                                           ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-28 10:05                                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28 13:25                                                             ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-28 13:37                                                               ` jim owens
2009-08-28 15:22                                                               ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-26 21:34                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-27  2:55                                                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2009-08-26 21:34                                                 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-26 21:08                                               ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-08-26 21:26                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 21:32                                             ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-27  7:15                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-26 15:37                               ` Chetan.Loke
2009-08-26 15:21                       ` Pekka Enberg
2009-08-25 21:09                   ` Éric Piel

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