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From: Wu Fei <at.wufei@gmail.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	arjan@infradead.org, jeremy@goop.org, mschmidt@redhat.com,
	mingo@redhat.com, hpa@zytor.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	tj@kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] kthreads: simplify !kthreadd_task logic, kill kthreadd_task_init_done
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 00:32:41 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090918163241.GA8556@desktop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090904073749.GB20598@elte.hu>

On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 09:37:49AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 09/01, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> > >
> > > Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> writes:
> > >
> > > > On 09/01, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> On 09/01, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > * Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > On 09/01, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > * Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > Yes, this should work. But I _think_ we can make the better fix...
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > I'll try to make the patch soon. Afaics we don't need
> > > >> > > > > kthreadd_task_init_done.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > ok.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Just in case, the patch is ready. [...]
> > > >> >
> > > >> > yes - that's roughly the cleanup i referred to in the commit log.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > way too late for -rc8 though - the minimal fix i did _might_ be
> > > >> > eligible.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > agreed?
> > > >>
> > > >> Agreed. Then I will sent the patch on top of this change.
> > > >
> > > > OK, I am sending the patch on top of your fix. Not sure how to really
> > > > test it, but at least the kernel works when I apply the debugging patch
> > > > below on top.
> > >
> > > Stupid question.  How is it that we wind up trying to start kernel threads
> > > before it is safe to do so?
> > >
> > > Races should be impossible because the scheduler isn't running until a few
> > > lines later.
> > 
> > Yes, I am confused too.
> > 
> > At first I thought I understand the race, now I don't. Please see 
> > the whole thread: http://marc.info/?t=125180592500005
> 
> I dont understand it either - and the .config being !SMP excludes 
> any sort of SMP race as well.
> 
> Lets delay this until i can debug it more fully.
> 
CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY looks like the key of this problem,
might_resched becomes _cond_resched, and since d86ee480 changes 
it not to check SYSTEM_RUNNING, this function may call schedule().
And might_resched may be called even from do_fork(), so this is a
scenario:

kernel_thread(kernel_init, ...)
pid = kernel_thread(kthreadd, ...)
	-- switch to thread kernel_init, which refers to  kthreadd_task
           and NULL reference happens.  Note, because of
	   !CONFIG_LOCK_KERNEL,  lock_kernel() is nop.

What about just creating kthreadd before kernel_init as the following,
it works for me?


diff --git a/init/main.c b/init/main.c
index b34fd8e..ae86699 100644
--- a/init/main.c
+++ b/init/main.c
@@ -452,10 +452,10 @@ static noinline void __init_refok rest_init(void)
 	int pid;
 
 	rcu_scheduler_starting();
-	kernel_thread(kernel_init, NULL, CLONE_FS | CLONE_SIGHAND);
-	numa_default_policy();
 	pid = kernel_thread(kthreadd, NULL, CLONE_FS | CLONE_FILES);
 	kthreadd_task = find_task_by_pid_ns(pid, &init_pid_ns);
+	kernel_thread(kernel_init, NULL, CLONE_FS | CLONE_SIGHAND);
+	numa_default_policy();
 	unlock_kernel();
 
 	/*

  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-18 16:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-29 16:27 [PATCH] x86: detect stack protector for i386 builds on x86_64 Michal Schmidt
2009-08-30 13:39 ` Américo Wang
2009-08-30 18:43 ` [tip:x86/asm] x86: Detect " tip-bot for Michal Schmidt
2009-09-01 10:03   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-01 11:39     ` [PATCH] kthreads: Fix startup synchronization boot crash Ingo Molnar
2009-09-01 13:04       ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-01 13:14         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-01 13:37           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-01 13:59             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-01 14:55               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-01 15:54                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-01 16:00                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-02 13:06                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-01 16:52                 ` [PATCH 0/1] kthreads: simplify !kthreadd_task logic, kill kthreadd_task_init_done Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-01 16:53                   ` [PATCH 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-01 23:22                   ` [PATCH 0/1] " Eric W. Biederman
2009-09-02  9:13                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-04  7:37                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-18 16:32                         ` Wu Fei [this message]
2009-09-18 18:54                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-18 19:17                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-09-18 21:12                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-18 21:15                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-18 22:06                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-09-18 23:11                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-09-18 23:22                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-18 23:38                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-09-01 15:08             ` [PATCH] kthreads: Fix startup synchronization boot crash Américo Wang
2009-09-01 15:19               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-08-31  6:21 ` [PATCH] x86: detect stack protector for i386 builds on x86_64 Tejun Heo

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