From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
"jens.axboe@oracle.com" <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fs: Fix busyloop in wb_writeback()
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:31:07 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090921143107.GA6567@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090921141910.GE6259@think>
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:19:10PM +0800, Chris Mason wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:11:09PM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 09:45:11PM +0800, Jan Kara wrote:
> > > On Mon 21-09-09 09:08:59, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 01:43:56AM +0800, Jan Kara wrote:
> > > > > On Sun 20-09-09 10:35:28, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 01:22:48AM +0800, Jan Kara wrote:
> > > > > > > If all inodes are under writeback (e.g. in case when there's only one inode
> > > > > > > with dirty pages), wb_writeback() with WB_SYNC_NONE work basically degrades
> > > > > > > to busylooping until I_SYNC flags of the inode is cleared. Fix the problem by
> > > > > > > waiting on I_SYNC flags of an inode on b_more_io list in case we failed to
> > > > > > > write anything.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry, I realized that inode_wait_for_writeback() waits for I_SYNC.
> > > > > > But inodes in b_more_io are not expected to have I_SYNC set. So your
> > > > > > patch looks like a big no-op?
> > > > > Hmm, I don't think so. writeback_single_inode() does:
> > > > > if (inode->i_state & I_SYNC) {
> > > > > /*
> > > > > * If this inode is locked for writeback and we are not
> > > > > * doing
> > > > > * writeback-for-data-integrity, move it to b_more_io so
> > > > > * that
> > > > > * writeback can proceed with the other inodes on s_io.
> > > > > *
> > > > > * We'll have another go at writing back this inode when we
> > > > > * completed a full scan of b_io.
> > > > > */
> > > > > if (!wait) {
> > > > > requeue_io(inode);
> > > > > return 0;
> > > > > }
> > > > >
> > > > > So when we see inode under writeback, we put it to b_more_io. So I think
> > > > > my patch really fixes the issue when two threads are racing on writing the
> > > > > same inode.
> > > >
> > > > Ah OK. So it busy loops when there are more syncing threads than dirty
> > > > files. For example, one bdi flush thread plus one process running
> > > > balance_dirty_pages().
> > > Yes.
> > >
> > > > > > The busy loop does exists, when bdi is congested.
> > > > > > In this case, write_cache_pages() will refuse to write anything,
> > > > > > we used to be calling congestion_wait() to take a breath, but now
> > > > > > wb_writeback() purged that call and thus created a busy loop.
> > > > > I don't think congestion is an issue here. The device needen't be
> > > > > congested for the busyloop to happen.
> > > >
> > > > bdi congestion is a different case. When there are only one syncing
> > > > thread, b_more_io inodes won't have I_SYNC, so your patch is a no-op.
> > > > wb_writeback() or any of its sub-routines must wait/yield for a while
> > > > to avoid busy looping on the congestion. Where is the wait with Jens'
> > > > new code?
> > > I agree someone must wait when we bail out due to congestion. But we bail
> > > out only when wbc->nonblocking is set.
> >
> > Here is another problem. wbc->nonblocking used to be set for kupdate
> > and background writebacks, but now it's gone. So they will be blocked
> > in get_request_wait(). That's fine, no busy loops.
> >
> > However this inverts the priority. pageout() still have nonblocking=1.
> > So now vmscan can easily be live locked by heavy background writebacks.
>
> The important part of the nonblocking check for pageout is really to
> make sure that it doesn't get stuck locking a buffer that is actually
> under IO, which happens in ext3/reiserfs data=ordered mode.
OK.
> Having pageout wait for a request is fine. Its just as likely to wait
> for a request when it does actually start the IO, regardless of the
> congestion checks earlier in the call chain.
There are fundamental differences. The congestion wait is live lock for
pageout, while wait_on_page_writeback() will finish in bounded time.
> I'd drop any congestion checks in the nooks and crannies of the
> writeback paths.
Let's work on a better solution then?
Thanks,
Fengguang
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-09-21 14:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-09-16 17:22 [PATCH] fs: Fix busyloop in wb_writeback() Jan Kara
2009-09-16 18:41 ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-17 9:09 ` Jan Kara
2009-09-21 13:01 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-21 13:06 ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-21 13:10 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-21 13:40 ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-21 13:19 ` Jan Kara
2009-09-21 13:28 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-19 1:53 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-20 2:35 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-20 17:43 ` Jan Kara
2009-09-21 1:08 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-21 13:45 ` Jan Kara
2009-09-21 14:11 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-21 14:19 ` Chris Mason
2009-09-21 14:31 ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2009-09-21 14:45 ` Chris Mason
2009-09-22 9:14 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-23 7:56 ` Wu Fengguang
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