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From: Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de>
To: FUJITA Tomonori <fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>,
	lars.ellenberg@linbit.com
Cc: arjan@infradead.org, jens.axboe@oracle.com, neilb@suse.de,
	hch@infradead.org, James.Bottomley@suse.de,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, drbd-dev@lists.linbit.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, bart.vanassche@gmail.com,
	davej@redhat.com, gregkh@suse.de, kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com,
	kyle@moffetthome.net, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	nab@linux-iscsi.org, knikanth@suse.de,
	philipp.reisner@linbit.com, sam@ravnborg.org,
	Mauelshagen@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] DRBD for 2.6.32
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:20:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090922062034.GE22732@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090922072617U.fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>

On 2009-09-22T07:27:21, FUJITA Tomonori <fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp> wrote:

> > If it happens, once that happens, that _will_ be an ABI break.
> 
> You misunderstand the raid unification.
> 
> We will not unify the kernel<->userspace configuration interface
> because we can't break the kernel<->userspace ABI.

I disagree here. Who says we can't over time, and with due notice?

For sure, the new ABI needs to co-exist with the old ones for a while,
until it is proven and fully complete, but then, why can't the old one
be marked as depreciated and phased out over 1-2 years time?

Users won't notice. Modern distros will switch, and in cases of legacy
distros ("enterprise"), the vendors will backport appropriately.

This happens. There's precedence with the network filtering rules etc.

> We plan to unify the multiple device frameworks, but the unified
> framework must support the all existing ABIs.
> 
> So adding another 'drbd' ABI hurts us.

Even that doesn't really apply, I think. If the new framework is
powerful enough and a super-set of everything that came before, the shim
layer will be somewhat annoying, but harmless code.


Regards,
    Lars

-- 
Architect Storage/HA, OPS Engineering, Novell, Inc.
SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg)
"Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes." -- Oscar Wilde


  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-09-22  6:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-15 14:45 [GIT PULL] DRBD for 2.6.32 Philipp Reisner
2009-09-15 23:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-09-16  8:33   ` Philipp Reisner
2009-09-17  8:12   ` Lars Ellenberg
2009-09-17 16:02     ` James Bottomley
2009-09-17 16:11       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-09-18  3:32         ` Neil Brown
2009-09-18 20:08           ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-19  5:14             ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-09-19 22:02               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2009-09-19 23:56                 ` Dan Williams
2009-09-21 13:39                 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-09-21 14:43                   ` Lars Ellenberg
2009-09-21 14:52                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-21 16:53                       ` Lars Ellenberg
2009-09-21 22:27                         ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-09-22  0:51                           ` Kyle Moffett
2009-09-23 11:27                             ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-09-23 11:57                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-09-23 14:01                               ` Kyle Moffett
2009-09-23 23:21                                 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-09-22  6:20                           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree [this message]
2009-09-23 11:36                             ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-09-23 23:06                               ` Neil Brown
2009-09-23 23:37                                 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-09-25  5:27                                   ` Neil Brown
2009-09-25  9:59                                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2009-09-21 14:55                     ` [Drbd-dev] " Lars Ellenberg
2009-09-22  5:37                     ` Heinz Mauelshagen
2009-09-17  8:50   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2009-09-16  0:46 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-16  9:19   ` Philipp Reisner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-09-17 18:52 devzero
2009-09-23 19:10 devzero

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