From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
"Li, Shaohua" <shaohua.li@intel.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"richard@rsk.demon.co.uk" <richard@rsk.demon.co.uk>,
"jens.axboe@oracle.com" <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: regression in page writeback
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:22:20 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090923002220.GA6382@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090922155259.GL10825@think>
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:52:59PM +0800, Chris Mason wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:32:14AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-09-22 at 16:24 +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 04:09:25PM +0800, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 2009-09-22 at 16:05 +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not sure how this patch stopped the "overshooting" behavior.
> > > > > Maybe it managed to not start the background pdflush, or the started
> > > > > pdflush thread exited because it found writeback is in progress by
> > > > > someone else?
> > > > >
> > > > > - if (bdi_nr_reclaimable) {
> > > > > + if (bdi_nr_reclaimable > bdi_thresh) {
> > > >
> > > > The idea is that we shouldn't move more pages from dirty -> writeback
> > > > when there's not actually that much dirty left.
> > >
> > > IMHO this makes little sense given that pdflush will move all dirty
> > > pages anyway. pdflush should already be started to do background
> > > writeback before the process is throttled, and it is designed to sync
> > > all current dirty pages as quick as possible and as much as possible.
> >
> > Not so, pdflush (or now the bdi writer thread thingies) should not
> > deplete all dirty pages but should stop writing once they are below the
> > background limit.
> >
> > > > Now, I'm not sure about the > bdi_thresh part, I've suggested to maybe
> > > > use bdi_thresh/2 a few times, but it generally didn't seem to make much
> > > > of a difference.
> > >
> > > One possible difference is, the process may end up waiting longer time
> > > in order to sync write_chunk pages and quit the throttle. This could
> > > hurt the responsiveness of the throttled process.
> >
> > Well, that's all because this congestion_wait stuff is borken..
> >
>
> I'd suggest retesting with a new baseline against the code in Linus' git
> today. Overall I think the change to make balance_dirty_pages() sleep
> instead of kick more IO out is a very good one. It helps in most
> workloads here.
>
> The congestion_wait() from 2.6.31 may just be too long to sleep waiting
> for progress on very fast IO rigs. Try switching to
> schedule_timeout_interruptible(1);
Jens' per-bdi writeback has another improvement. In 2.6.31, when
superblocks A and B both have 100000 dirty pages, it will first
exhaust A's 100000 dirty pages before going on to sync B's.
In latest git, A and B will roughly make progress at the same time.
So for 2.6.31 without this patch, it is possible for pdflush to sync
A's most dirty pages and for balance_dirty_pages() to sync B's most
dirty pages because B is over its bdi thresh.
Thanks,
Fengguang
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-09-23 0:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-09-22 5:49 regression in page writeback Shaohua Li
2009-09-22 6:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-22 8:05 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-22 8:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-22 8:24 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-22 8:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-22 8:51 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-22 8:52 ` Richard Kennedy
2009-09-22 9:05 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-22 11:41 ` Shaohua Li
2009-09-22 15:52 ` Chris Mason
2009-09-23 0:22 ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2009-09-23 0:54 ` Andrew Morton
2009-09-23 1:17 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-23 1:27 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-23 1:28 ` Andrew Morton
2009-09-23 1:32 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-23 1:47 ` Andrew Morton
2009-09-23 2:01 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-23 2:09 ` Andrew Morton
2009-09-23 3:07 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-23 1:45 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-23 1:59 ` Andrew Morton
2009-09-23 2:26 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-23 2:36 ` Andrew Morton
2009-09-23 2:49 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-23 2:56 ` Andrew Morton
2009-09-23 3:11 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-23 3:10 ` Shaohua Li
2009-09-23 3:14 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-23 3:25 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-23 14:00 ` Chris Mason
2009-09-24 3:15 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-24 12:10 ` Chris Mason
2009-09-25 3:26 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-25 0:11 ` Dave Chinner
2009-09-25 0:38 ` Chris Mason
2009-09-25 5:04 ` Dave Chinner
2009-09-25 6:45 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-28 1:07 ` Dave Chinner
2009-09-28 7:15 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-28 13:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-09-28 14:07 ` Theodore Tso
2009-09-30 5:26 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-30 5:32 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-01 22:17 ` Jan Kara
2009-10-02 3:27 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-06 12:55 ` Jan Kara
2009-10-06 13:18 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-30 14:11 ` Theodore Tso
2009-10-01 15:14 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-01 21:54 ` Theodore Tso
2009-10-02 2:55 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-02 8:19 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-02 17:26 ` Theodore Tso
2009-10-03 6:10 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-29 2:32 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-29 14:00 ` Chris Mason
2009-09-29 14:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-09-29 0:15 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-28 14:25 ` Chris Mason
2009-09-29 23:39 ` Dave Chinner
2009-09-30 1:30 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-25 12:06 ` Chris Mason
2009-09-25 3:19 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-26 1:47 ` Dave Chinner
2009-09-26 3:02 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-23 9:19 ` Richard Kennedy
2009-09-23 9:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-23 9:37 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-23 10:30 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-23 6:41 ` Shaohua Li
2009-09-22 10:49 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-22 11:50 ` Shaohua Li
2009-09-22 13:39 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-23 1:52 ` Shaohua Li
2009-09-23 4:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-25 6:14 ` Wu Fengguang
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