From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: Corrado Zoccolo <czoccolo@gmail.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: IO scheduler based IO controller V10
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:04:26 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091002110426.GB28233@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200910021255.27689.czoccolo@gmail.com>
On Fri, Oct 02 2009, Corrado Zoccolo wrote:
> Hi Jens,
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 02 2009, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >>
> >> * Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com> wrote:
> >>
> >
> > It's really not that simple, if we go and do easy latency bits, then
> > throughput drops 30% or more. You can't say it's black and white latency
> > vs throughput issue, that's just not how the real world works. The
> > server folks would be most unpleased.
> Could we be more selective when the latency optimization is introduced?
>
> The code that is currently touched by Vivek's patch is:
> if (!atomic_read(&cic->ioc->nr_tasks) || !cfqd->cfq_slice_idle ||
> (cfqd->hw_tag && CIC_SEEKY(cic)))
> enable_idle = 0;
> basically, when fairness=1, it becomes just:
> if (!atomic_read(&cic->ioc->nr_tasks) || !cfqd->cfq_slice_idle)
> enable_idle = 0;
>
> Note that, even if we enable idling here, the cfq_arm_slice_timer will use
> a different idle window for seeky (2ms) than for normal I/O.
>
> I think that the 2ms idle window is good for a single rotational SATA
> disk scenario, even if it supports NCQ. Realistic access times for
> those disks are still around 8ms (but it is proportional to seek
> lenght), and waiting 2ms to see if we get a nearby request may pay
> off, not only in latency and fairness, but also in throughput.
I agree, that change looks good.
> What we don't want to do is to enable idling for NCQ enabled SSDs
> (and this is already taken care in cfq_arm_slice_timer) or for hardware RAIDs.
Right, it was part of the bigger SSD optimization stuff I did a few
revisions back.
> If we agree that hardware RAIDs should be marked as non-rotational, then that
> code could become:
>
> if (!atomic_read(&cic->ioc->nr_tasks) || !cfqd->cfq_slice_idle ||
> (blk_queue_nonrot(cfqd->queue) && cfqd->hw_tag && CIC_SEEKY(cic)))
> enable_idle = 0;
> else if (sample_valid(cic->ttime_samples)) {
> unsigned idle_time = CIC_SEEKY(cic) ? CFQ_MIN_TT : cfqd->cfq_slice_idle;
> if (cic->ttime_mean > idle_time)
> enable_idle = 0;
> else
> enable_idle = 1;
> }
Yes agree on that too. We probably should make a different flag for
hardware raids, telling the io scheduler that this device is really
composed if several others. If it's composited only by SSD's (or has a
frontend similar to that), then non-rotational applies.
But yes, we should pass that information down.
--
Jens Axboe
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-10-02 11:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-10-02 10:55 IO scheduler based IO controller V10 Corrado Zoccolo
2009-10-02 11:04 ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2009-10-02 12:49 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-10-02 15:27 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-10-02 15:31 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-10-02 15:32 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-10-02 15:40 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-10-02 16:03 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-10-02 16:50 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-10-02 19:58 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-10-02 22:14 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-10-02 22:27 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-10-03 12:43 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-10-03 13:38 ` Do we support ioprio on SSDs with NCQ (Was: Re: IO scheduler based IO controller V10) Vivek Goyal
2009-10-04 9:15 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-10-04 12:11 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-10-04 12:46 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-10-04 16:20 ` Fabio Checconi
2009-10-05 21:21 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-10-05 15:06 ` Jeff Moyer
2009-10-05 21:09 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-10-06 8:41 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-06 9:00 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-10-06 18:53 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-06 21:36 ` Vivek Goyal
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-09-24 19:25 IO scheduler based IO controller V10 Vivek Goyal
2009-09-24 21:33 ` Andrew Morton
2009-09-25 1:09 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-09-25 1:18 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-09-25 5:29 ` Balbir Singh
2009-09-25 7:09 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-09-25 4:14 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-09-25 5:04 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-09-25 9:07 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-09-25 14:33 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-09-28 7:30 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-09-25 15:04 ` Rik van Riel
2009-09-28 7:38 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-09-25 2:20 ` Ulrich Lukas
2009-09-25 20:26 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-09-26 14:51 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-27 6:55 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-27 16:42 ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-27 18:15 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-28 4:04 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-28 5:55 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-28 17:48 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-09-28 18:24 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-30 19:58 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-30 20:05 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-30 20:24 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-10-01 7:33 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-10-01 18:58 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-02 6:23 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-10-02 8:04 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-02 8:53 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-10-02 9:00 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-10-02 9:55 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-02 12:22 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-10-02 9:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-02 9:28 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-02 14:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-02 14:45 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-10-02 14:57 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-02 14:56 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-02 15:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-02 16:01 ` jim owens
2009-10-02 17:11 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-02 17:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-02 17:25 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-02 17:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-02 17:37 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-02 17:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-02 18:04 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-02 18:22 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-10-02 18:26 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-02 18:33 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-10-02 18:36 ` Theodore Tso
2009-10-02 18:45 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-02 19:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-02 19:09 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-02 18:13 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-10-02 18:19 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-02 18:57 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-10-02 20:47 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-10-03 5:48 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-10-03 5:56 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-10-03 7:24 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-03 9:00 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-10-03 9:12 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-10-03 13:18 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-03 13:17 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-03 11:29 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-10-03 7:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-03 7:25 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-03 8:53 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-10-03 9:01 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-10-02 16:33 ` Ray Lee
2009-10-02 17:13 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-02 16:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-02 9:36 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-10-02 16:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-02 18:08 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-02 18:29 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-10-02 18:36 ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-27 17:00 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-09-28 14:56 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-09-28 15:35 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-09-28 17:14 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-09-29 7:10 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-09-28 17:51 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-28 18:18 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-09-28 18:53 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-29 7:14 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-09-29 5:55 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-29 0:37 ` Nauman Rafique
2009-09-29 3:22 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-09-29 9:56 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-09-29 10:49 ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2009-09-29 14:10 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-09-29 19:53 ` Nauman Rafique
2009-09-30 8:43 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-09-30 11:05 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-10-01 6:41 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-10-01 13:31 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-10-02 2:57 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-10-02 20:27 ` Munehiro Ikeda
2009-10-05 10:38 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-10-05 12:31 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-10-05 14:55 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-10-05 17:10 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-10-05 18:11 ` Nauman Rafique
2009-10-06 7:17 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-10-06 11:22 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-10-07 14:38 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-10-07 15:09 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-10-08 2:18 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-10-07 16:41 ` Rik van Riel
2009-10-08 10:22 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-09-30 3:11 ` Vivek Goyal
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