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From: Bharata B Rao <bharata@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Dhaval Giani <dhaval@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Vaidyanathan Srinivasan <svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Gautham R Shenoy <ego@in.ibm.com>,
	Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@in.ibm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com>,
	Paul Menage <menage@google.com>,
	Mike Waychison <mikew@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 PATCH 4/8] sched: Enforce hard limits by throttling
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:00:18 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091015033018.GA3320@in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091014131854.GI24787@MAIL.13thfloor.at>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 03:18:54PM +0200, Herbert Poetzl wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 05:20:03PM +0530, Bharata B Rao wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:17:44AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 09:11 +0530, Bharata B Rao wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 04:27:00PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 18:22 +0530, Bharata B Rao wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > diff --git a/include/linux/sched.h b/include/linux/sched.h
> > > > > > index 0f1ea4a..77ace43 100644
> > > > > > --- a/include/linux/sched.h
> > > > > > +++ b/include/linux/sched.h
> > > > > > @@ -1024,7 +1024,7 @@ struct sched_domain;
> > > > > >  struct sched_class {
> > > > > >     const struct sched_class *next;
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > -   void (*enqueue_task) (struct rq *rq, struct task_struct *p, int wakeup);
> > > > > > +   int (*enqueue_task) (struct rq *rq, struct task_struct *p, int wakeup);
> > > > > >     void (*dequeue_task) (struct rq *rq, struct task_struct *p, int sleep);
> > > > > >     void (*yield_task) (struct rq *rq);
> > > > > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > > I really hate this, it uglfies all the enqueue code in a horrid way
> > > > > (which is most of this patch).
> > > > > 
> > > > > Why can't we simply enqueue the task on a throttled group just like rt?
> > > > 
> > > > We do enqueue a task to its group even if the group is throttled. However such
> > > > throttled groups are not enqueued further. In such scenarios, even though the
> > > > task enqueue to its parent group succeeded, it really didn't add any task to
> > > > the cpu runqueue (rq). So we need to identify this condition and don't
> > > > increment rq->running. That is why this return value is needed.
> > > 
> > > I would still consider those tasks running, the fact that they don't get
> > > to run is a different matter.
> 
> > Ok, that's how rt also considers them I realize. I thought that we
> > should update rq->running when tasks go off the runqueue due to
> > throttling. When a task is throttled, it is no doubt present on its
> > group's cfs_rq, but it doesn't contribute to the CPU load as the
> > throttled group entity isn't there on any cfs_rq. rq->running is used
> > to obtain a few load balancing metrics and they might go wrong if
> > rq->running isn't uptodate.
> 
> for all practical purposes throttled tasks _are_ running
> (i.e. they would like to run, but the hardware/software
> doesn't allow them to do more work) ...

Ok, I will take a re-look at this and see if I too can consider them
as running and don't touch rq->running which should simply some code.

> 
> > Do you still think we shouldn't update rq->running ? If so, I can get rid
> > of this return value change.
> 
> Linux-VServer marked throttled tasks as 'H' (on hold)
> but counted them as running, which seems to work fine
> and reflect the expected behaviour ...

So a new task state 'H' ?

Thanks for your comments.

Regards,
Bharata.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-15  3:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-30 12:49 [RFC v2 PATCH 0/8] CFS Hard limits - v2 Bharata B Rao
2009-09-30 12:50 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 1/8] sched: Rename sched_rt_period_mask() and use it in CFS also Bharata B Rao
2009-09-30 12:51 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 2/8] sched: Maintain aggregated tasks count in cfs_rq at each hierarchy level Bharata B Rao
2009-10-13 14:27   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-14  3:42     ` Bharata B Rao
2009-09-30 12:52 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 3/8] sched: Bandwidth initialization for fair task groups Bharata B Rao
2009-10-13 14:27   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-14  3:49     ` Bharata B Rao
2009-09-30 12:52 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 4/8] sched: Enforce hard limits by throttling Bharata B Rao
2009-10-13 14:27   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-14  3:41     ` Bharata B Rao
2009-10-14  9:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-14 11:50         ` Bharata B Rao
2009-10-14 13:18           ` Herbert Poetzl
2009-10-15  3:30             ` Bharata B Rao [this message]
2009-09-30 12:53 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 5/8] sched: Unthrottle the throttled tasks Bharata B Rao
2009-09-30 12:54 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 6/8] sched: Add throttle time statistics to /proc/sched_debug Bharata B Rao
2009-09-30 12:55 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 7/8] sched: Rebalance cfs runtimes Bharata B Rao
2009-09-30 12:55 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 8/8] sched: Hard limits documentation Bharata B Rao
2009-09-30 13:36 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 0/8] CFS Hard limits - v2 Pavel Emelyanov
2009-09-30 14:25   ` Bharata B Rao
2009-09-30 14:39     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2009-09-30 15:09       ` Pavel Emelyanov
2009-10-13 11:39       ` Pavel Emelyanov
2009-10-13 12:03         ` Herbert Poetzl
2009-10-13 12:19           ` Pavel Emelyanov
2009-10-13 12:30             ` Dhaval Giani
2009-10-13 12:45               ` Pavel Emelyanov
2009-10-13 12:56                 ` Dhaval Giani
2009-10-13 12:57                 ` Bharata B Rao
2009-10-13 13:01                   ` Pavel Emelyanov
2009-10-13 14:56             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-10-13 22:02             ` Herbert Poetzl
2009-10-13 14:49         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-09-30 14:38   ` Balbir Singh
2009-09-30 15:10     ` Pavel Emelyanov
2009-09-30 15:30       ` Balbir Singh
2009-09-30 22:30         ` Herbert Poetzl
2009-10-01  5:12           ` Bharata B Rao

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