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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Steven Whitehouse <swhiteho@redhat.com>,
	Jason Baron <jbaron@redhat.com>,
	cluster-devel@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	rostedt@goodmis.org
Subject: Re: move gfs2 tracepoints to inclue/trace/events dir
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:29:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091025162913.GC20391@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091025075037.GD9482@infradead.org>


* Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:00:37PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> > yeah. I have no objection to adding it to include/trace/. 
> > Tracepoints are a fundamentally global business.
> > 
> > Subsystems can opt to hide their tracepoints locally, but it's 
> > better to have a global view about what's out there, so that it can 
> > be extended coherently, etc.
> 
> We're lacking quite a bit coherence even with it.  The originally 
> reason why there were global was that the infrastructure couldn't cope 
> with having the either in modules or elsewhere in the source tree at 
> all.
> 
> We have managed to avoid global directories for drivers/filesystems 
> for as much as we can lately.  Having everything in a directory makes 
> sure it's self-contained and people don't use it accidentally from 
> other modules, which also applies to trace events - we don't want 
> people accidentally use gfs2 tracepoints from a driver (and if you 
> think that's far fetched look at the recent example of a driver using 
> debugging macros from the networking code that got pulled in 
> accidentally somewhere).

Tracepoints are closer to documentation than to filesystem 
functionality. And you are wrong when you say that everything related to 
filesystems is 'modular' - we have all documentation concentrated in 
Documentation/filesystems/ - and that is good so.

Just like we have library functions for filesystems concentrated in 
fs/*.c.

I think you are looking at it way too rigidly without considering the 
other side of the equation. Modularity has its costs: it hides details 
and makes it harder to compare implementations.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-25 16:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-09 16:01 move gfs2 tracepoints to inclue/trace/events dir Jason Baron
2009-10-09 16:05 ` Steven Whitehouse
2009-10-09 16:20   ` Jason Baron
2009-10-09 16:28     ` Steven Whitehouse
2009-10-09 23:45 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-10-12  9:43   ` Steven Whitehouse
2009-10-12 10:00     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 10:16       ` Steven Whitehouse
2009-10-25  7:50       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-10-25 16:29         ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-10-12 10:09   ` Ingo Molnar

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