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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Pierre-Marc Fournier <pierre-marc.fournier@polymtl.ca>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, GeunSik Lim <leemgs1@gmail.com>,
	Zhaolei <zhaolei@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Jesper Juhl <jj@chaosbits.net>, Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>,
	Harvey Harrison <harvey.harrison@gmail.com>,
	"Robert P. J. Day" <rpjday@mindspring.com>,
	Jaswinder Singh Rajput <jaswinderrajput@gmail.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Dominique Toupin <dominique.toupin@ericsson.com>,
	Michel Dagenais <michel.dagenais@polymtl.ca>
Subject: Re: Relicensing tracepoints and markers to Dual LGPL v2.1/GPL v2,headers to Dual BSD/GPL
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:05:09 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091026160509.GA8755@Krystal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091026071832.36405c9a@infradead.org>

* Arjan van de Ven (arjan@infradead.org) wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:17:49 -0400
> Pierre-Marc Fournier <pierre-marc.fournier@polymtl.ca> wrote:
> 
> > Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > 
> > > But i also disagree with it on a technical level: code duplication
> > > is _bad_. Why does the code have to be duplicated in user-space
> > > like that? I'd like Linux tracing code to be in the kernel repo.
> > > Why isnt this done properly, as part of the kernel project - to
> > > make sure it all stays in sync?
> > > 
> > 
> > If you mean that this code should solely be used inside the kernel,
> > then what you propose technically does not work. There is a very high
> > cost to accessing kernel code from userspace. 
> 
> yeah 100 cycles is insanely high, that's at least the equivalent of...
> say one cache miss.
> 

Hi Arjan,

Maybe it's just me, but if you are talking of system calls performed
with sysenter, my own machine (with an Intel Xeon E5405 CPU) seems to
disagree with your estimations:

For a system call doing basically _nothing_:

Cache-cold system call:
Time for a system call (returns after a simple test) :
TSC diff : 6426 cycles
time diff : 3212.53 ns

Cache-hot system call:
Time for system call (10000 calls) (returns after a simple test) :
TSC diff : 599.893 cycles per call
time diff : 299.903 ns per call

Otherwise, if you are instead referring to a vDSO, then the contexts is
slightly different, and it becomes cheaper, but it does not allow to
share code as much between the in-kernel and vDSO implementations,
mainly due to different locking required. Moreover, I wonder about the
maximum vDSO size that can be ported across multiple architectures. It
has only been used for really tiny pieces of code so far.

Thanks,

Mathieu

> 
> -- 
> Arjan van de Ven 	Intel Open Source Technology Centre
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  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-26 16:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-23 16:02 Relicensing tracepoints and markers to Dual LGPL v2.1/GPL v2, headers to Dual BSD/GPL Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-10-23 16:06 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-10-24 21:03   ` Jesper Juhl
2009-10-24 21:22     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-10-26  1:53     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-26  2:08       ` Relicensing tracepoints and markers to Dual LGPL v2.1/GPL v2,headers " Zhaolei
2009-10-26  5:03         ` GeunSik Lim
2009-10-26  7:30           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-26  8:10             ` GeunSik Lim
2009-10-26 10:17             ` Alan Cox
2009-10-26 11:31               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-26 13:45                 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-10-26 13:40               ` Steven Rostedt
2009-10-26 13:17             ` Pierre-Marc Fournier
2009-10-26 13:29               ` Steven Rostedt
2009-10-26 16:11                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-10-26 14:18               ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-10-26 16:05                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2009-10-26 20:21                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-28 14:11             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-10-23 16:31 ` Relicensing tracepoints and markers to Dual LGPL v2.1/GPL v2, headers " Ingo Molnar
2009-10-23 17:02   ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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