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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: John Kacur <jkacur@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arndbergmann@googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] macintosh: Explicitly set llseek to no_llseek in ans-lcd
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:51:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200911021651.53331.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091021221619.GF4880@nowhere>

On Thursday 22 October 2009, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > I'm thinking that the simplier approach, would be to make the 
> > default_llseek the unlocked one. Then you only have to audit the drivers 
> > that have the BKL - ie the ones we are auditing anyway, and explicitly set 
> > them to the bkl locked llseek.
> > 
> > There might be a hidden interaction though between the non-unlocked 
> > variety of ioctls and default llseek though.
> 
> 
> I fear that won't work because the bkl in default_llseek() does not
> only synchronizes with others uses of the bkl in a driver, it also
> synchronizes lseek() itself.
> 
> As an example offset change is not atomic. This is a long long, so
> updating its value is not atomic in 32 bits archs.

A late follow-up on this one:

I looked at what places in the code manipulate file->f_pos directly
and found that almost all the uses in driver code are broken because
they don't take any locks. Most of them are in driver specific
lseek operations. Others are in read/write methods and are even
more broken because the change gets immediately overwritten by
vfs_read/vfs_write when the driver method returns.

IMHO, we should complete the pushdown into all ioctl methods
that John and Thomas have started working on, fixing the lseek
methods in those files we touch.

When that is done, all interaction between default_llseek and
driver locking has to be with explicit calls to lock_kernel
in those drivers, so we can reasonably well script the search
for drivers needing the BKL in llseek: everyhing that
 a) defines file_operations without an llseek function,
 b) touches f_pos somewhere, and
 c) calls lock_kernel() somewhere
That should only be a small number and when they are fixed,
we can remove default_llseek and instead call generic_file_llseek
for any file operation without a separate llseek method.

	Arnd <><

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-02 15:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-10 15:35 [patch 00/28] BKL removal queued patches Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:35 ` [patch 01/28] pm_qos: remove BKL Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 16:08   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-13 19:12   ` mgross
2009-10-13 19:21     ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-10-13 19:50       ` mgross
2009-10-14 15:44   ` [tip:bkl/core] " tip-bot for Jonathan Corbet
2009-10-10 15:35 ` [patch 02/28] pm_qos: clean up racy global "name" variable Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 19:54   ` John Kacur
2009-10-10 20:03     ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-10-10 20:09       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-10 20:58       ` John Kacur
2009-10-14 15:44   ` [tip:bkl/core] " tip-bot for Jonathan Corbet
2009-10-10 15:35 ` [patch 03/28] net: Remove BKL from tun Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14  8:19   ` David Miller
2009-10-10 15:35 ` [patch 04/28] x86: Remove BKL from microcode Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:14   ` [tip:x86/cleanups] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:35 ` [patch 05/28] drivers: Remove BKL from drivers/char/misc.c Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-11 19:24   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-14 15:47   ` [tip:bkl/drivers] drivers: Remove BKL from misc_open tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:55     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-14 16:07       ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 16:12     ` Alan Cox
2009-10-14 16:16       ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 16:54         ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-14 17:12           ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-14 19:38             ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-17 17:09               ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-14 18:12         ` Alan Cox
2009-10-14 19:34           ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 17:58       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-10 15:35 ` [patch 06/28] drivers: Remove BKL from cs5535_gpio Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:47   ` [tip:bkl/drivers] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:35 ` [patch 07/28] spi: Remove BKL from spidev_open Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:48   ` [tip:bkl/drivers] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:35 ` [patch 08/28] x86: Remove BKL from apm_32 Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:15   ` [tip:x86/cleanups] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 09/28] sys: Remove BKL from sys_reboot Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:44   ` [tip:bkl/core] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 10/28] mem_class: Drop the bkl from memory_open() Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 11/28] nvram: Drop the bkl from nvram_llseek() Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-11 19:31   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-11 21:08     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-11 21:40       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-11 21:50         ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-11 22:14           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-13 12:40             ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-14 21:43               ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-11 22:12     ` [PATCH] generic_nvram: Turn nvram_ioctl into an unlocked ioctl Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-11 22:25       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-11 22:39         ` [PATCH v2] " Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-11 22:40         ` [PATCH] " Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-12  8:45           ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 12/28] nvram: Drop the bkl from non-generic nvram_llseek() Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 13/28] s390: Remove BKL from prng Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-13 12:36   ` Jan Glauber
2009-10-14 15:45   ` [tip:bkl/arch] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 14/28] um: Remove BKL from random Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:45   ` [tip:bkl/arch] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 15/28] um: Remove BKL from mmapper Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:45   ` [tip:bkl/arch] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 16/28] sparc: Remove BKL from apc Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-03  5:27   ` David Miller
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 17/28] watchdog: Fix probe function of riowd Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 18/28] watchdog: Remove BKL from rio watchdog driver Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-03  5:16   ` David Miller
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 19/28] hw_random: Remove BKL from core Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:49   ` [tip:bkl/drivers] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-21 20:51   ` [patch 19/28] " John Kacur
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 20/28] input: Remove BKL from hp_sdc_rtc Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-11 19:47   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-11 19:54     ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:49   ` [tip:bkl/drivers] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:37 ` [patch 21/28] bkl: pushdown BKL locking to do_sysctl() Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-11  9:03   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-10-14 15:45   ` [tip:bkl/core] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:37 ` [patch 22/28] macintosh: Remove BKL from ans-lcd Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 21:14   ` John Kacur
2009-10-10 23:13     ` Alan Cox
2009-10-10 23:27       ` John Kacur
2009-10-11  9:02   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-10-14 15:49   ` [tip:bkl/drivers] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-21 21:07   ` [PATCH] macintosh: Explicitly set llseek to no_llseek in ans-lcd John Kacur
2009-10-21 21:21     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-21 21:33       ` John Kacur
2009-10-21 21:45         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-21 21:53           ` John Kacur
2009-10-21 22:16             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-02 15:51               ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2009-11-16 10:54                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-11-16 12:09                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-10 15:37 ` [patch 23/28] i2c: Remove big kernel lock from i2cdev_open Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 17:04   ` Jean Delvare
2009-10-10 17:09     ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 17:39       ` Jean Delvare
2009-10-10 18:10         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 18:15           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-10 18:38             ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:37 ` [patch 24/28] rtc: Remove BKL from efirtc Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:50   ` [tip:bkl/drivers] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-21 21:13   ` Subject: [PATCH] rtc: Explicitly set llseek to no_llseek John Kacur
2009-11-03 23:48     ` Andrew Morton
2009-11-04  0:43       ` John Kacur
2009-10-10 15:37 ` [patch 25/28] parisc: Remove BKL from eisa_eeprom Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:50   ` [tip:bkl/drivers] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 17:35   ` [patch 25/28] " Kyle McMartin
2009-10-10 15:37 ` [patch 26/28] drivers: Remove BKL from pc8736x_gpio Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:50   ` [tip:bkl/drivers] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:37 ` [patch 27/28] drivers: Remove BKL from scx200_gpio Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:50   ` [tip:bkl/drivers] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:37 ` [patch 28/28] mips: Remove BKL from tb0219 Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:51   ` [tip:bkl/drivers] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 18:38 ` [patch 00/28] BKL removal queued patches John Kacur
2009-10-14 15:59 ` [PATCH 1/2] compat_ioctl: remove VT specific ioctl handlers Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-14 16:00   ` [PATCH 2/2] compat_ioctl: do not hold BKL in handlers Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-14 16:10   ` [PATCH 1/2] compat_ioctl: remove VT specific ioctl handlers Greg KH

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