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From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
To: Divyesh Shah <dpshah@google.com>
Cc: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jens.axboe@oracle.com,
	nauman@google.com, lizf@cn.fujitsu.com, ryov@valinux.co.jp,
	fernando@oss.ntt.co.jp, s-uchida@ap.jp.nec.com,
	taka@valinux.co.jp, guijianfeng@cn.fujitsu.com,
	balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com, righi.andrea@gmail.com,
	m-ikeda@ds.jp.nec.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	riel@redhat.com, kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/20] blkio: Introduce the notion of weights
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:00:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091104190033.GG2870@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <af41c7c40911040907y11103944ief0654f84ffdf5ed@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 09:07:41AM -0800, Divyesh Shah wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 10:06:16AM -0500, Jeff Moyer wrote:
> > > Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com> writes:
> > >
> > > > o Introduce the notion of weights. Priorities are mapped to weights internally.
> > > >   These weights will be useful once IO groups are introduced and group's share
> > > >   will be decided by the group weight.
> > >
> > > I'm sorry, but I need more background to review this patch.  Where do
> > > the min and max come from?  Why do you scale 7-0 from 200-900?  How does
> > > this map to what was there before (exactly, approximately)?
> > >
> >
> > Well, So far we only have the notion of iopriority for the process and
> > based on that we determine time slice length.
> >
> > Soon we will throw cfq groups also in the mix. Because cpu IO controller
> > is weight driven, people have shown preference that group's share should
> > be decided based on its weight and not introduce the notion of ioprio for
> > groups.
> >
> > So now core scheduling algorithm only recognizes weights for entities (be it
> > cfq queues or cfq groups), and it is required that we convert the ioprio
> > of cfqq into weight.
> >
> > Now it is a matter of coming up with what weight range do we support and
> > how ioprio should be mapped onto these weights. We can always change the
> > mappings but to being with, I have followed following.
> >
> > Allow a weight range from 100 to 1000. Allowing too small a weights like
> > "1", can lead to very interesting corner cases and I wanted to avoid that
> > in first implementation. For example, if some group with weight "1" gets
> > a time slice of 100ms, its vtime will be really high and after that it
> > will not get scheduled in for a very long time.
> >
> > Seconly allowing too small a weights can make vtime of the tree move very
> > fast with faster wrap around of min_vdistime. (especially on SSD where idling
> > might not be enabled, and for every queue expiry we will attribute minimum of
> > 1ms of slice. If weight of the group is "1" it will higher vtime and
> > min_vdisktime will move very fast). We don't want too fast a wrap around
> > of min_vdisktime (especially in case of idle tree. That infrastructure is
> > not part of current patches).
> >
> > Hence, to begin with I wanted to limit the range of weights allowed because
> > wider range opens up lot of interesting corner cases. That's why limited
> > minimum weight to 100. So at max user can expect the 1000/100=10 times service
> > differentiation between highest and lower weight groups. If folks need more
> > than that, we can look into it once things stablize.
> 
> We definitely need the 1:100 differentiation. I'm ok with adding that
> later after the core set of patches stabilize but just letting you
> know that it is important to us.

Good to know. I will begin with max service difference of 10 times and
once things stablize, will go enable wider range of weights.

> Also curious why you chose a higher
> range 100-1000 instead of 10-100? For smaller vtime leaps?

Good question. Initially we had thought that range of 1-1000 should be 
good enough. Later decided to cap minimum weight to 100. But same can be
achieved by smaller range of 1-100 and capping minimum weight at 10. This
will make vtime leap forward slower also.

Later if somebody needs ratio higher than 1:100, we can think of
supporting even wider weight range.

Thanks Divyesh for the idea. I think I will change weight range to 10-100
and map ioprio 0-7 on weights 20 to 90.

Thanks
Vivek

> 
> >
> > Priority and weights follow reverse order. Higher priority means low
> > weight and vice-versa.
> >
> > Currently we support 8 priority levels and prio "4" is the middle point.
> > Anything higher than prio 4 gets 20% less slice as compared to prio 4 and
> > priorities lower than 4, get 20% higher slice of prio 4 (20% higher/lower
> > for each priority level).
> >
> > For weight range 100 - 1000, 500 can be considered as mid point. Now this
> > is how priority mapping looks like.
> >
> >        100 200 300 400 500 600 700 800 900 1000  (Weights)
> >             7   6   5   4   3   2  1   0         (io prio).
> >
> > Once priorities are converted to weights, we are able to retain the notion
> > of 20% difference between prio levels by choosing 500 as the mid point and
> > mapping prio 0-7 to weights 900-200, hence this mapping.
> >
> > I am all ears if you have any suggestions on how this ca be handled
> > better.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Vivek

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-04 19:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-03 23:43 [RFC] Block IO Controller V1 Vivek Goyal
2009-11-03 23:43 ` [PATCH 01/20] blkio: Documentation Vivek Goyal
2009-11-04 13:37   ` Jeff Moyer
2009-11-04 17:21   ` Balbir Singh
2009-11-04 17:52     ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-04 23:36       ` Balbir Singh
2009-11-03 23:43 ` [PATCH 02/20] blkio: Change CFQ to use CFS like queue time stamps Vivek Goyal
2009-11-04 14:30   ` Jeff Moyer
2009-11-04 16:37     ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-04 17:59       ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-11-04 18:54         ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-05  2:44       ` Divyesh Shah
2009-11-05 14:39         ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-04 21:18   ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-11-04 22:25     ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-05  8:36       ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-11-04 23:22     ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-05  8:27       ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-11-05  0:05     ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-06 22:22     ` [RFC] Workload type Vs Groups (Was: Re: [PATCH 02/20] blkio: Change CFQ to use CFS like queue time stamps) Vivek Goyal
2009-11-09 17:33       ` Nauman Rafique
2009-11-09 21:47       ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-11-09 23:12         ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-10 11:29           ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-11-10 13:31             ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-10 14:12               ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-10 18:05                 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-11-10 19:15                   ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-12  8:53                     ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-11-11  0:48   ` [PATCH 02/20] blkio: Change CFQ to use CFS like queue time stamps Gui Jianfeng
2009-11-12 23:07     ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-13  0:59       ` Gui Jianfeng
2009-11-13  1:24         ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-13  2:05           ` Gui Jianfeng
2009-11-03 23:43 ` [PATCH 03/20] blkio: Introduce the notion of weights Vivek Goyal
2009-11-04 15:06   ` Jeff Moyer
2009-11-04 15:41     ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-04 17:07       ` Divyesh Shah
2009-11-04 19:00         ` Vivek Goyal [this message]
2009-11-04 19:15       ` Jeff Moyer
2009-11-03 23:43 ` [PATCH 04/20] blkio: Introduce the notion of cfq entity Vivek Goyal
2009-11-03 23:43 ` [PATCH 05/20] blkio: Introduce the notion of cfq groups Vivek Goyal
2009-11-03 23:43 ` [PATCH 06/20] blkio: Introduce cgroup interface Vivek Goyal
2009-11-04 15:23   ` Jeff Moyer
2009-11-04 16:47     ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-03 23:43 ` [PATCH 07/20] blkio: Provide capablity to enqueue/dequeue group entities Vivek Goyal
2009-11-04 15:34   ` Jeff Moyer
2009-11-04 16:54     ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-03 23:43 ` [PATCH 08/20] blkio: Add support for dynamic creation of cfq_groups Vivek Goyal
2009-11-04 16:01   ` Jeff Moyer
2009-11-03 23:43 ` [PATCH 09/20] blkio: Porpogate blkio cgroup weight or ioprio class updation to cfq groups Vivek Goyal
2009-11-05  5:35   ` Gui Jianfeng
2009-11-05 14:42     ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-03 23:43 ` [PATCH 10/20] blkio: Implement cfq group deletion and reference counting support Vivek Goyal
2009-11-04 18:44   ` Jeff Moyer
2009-11-04 19:00     ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-03 23:43 ` [PATCH 11/20] blkio: Some CFQ debugging Aid Vivek Goyal
2009-11-04 18:52   ` Jeff Moyer
2009-11-04 19:12     ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-04 19:25       ` Jeff Moyer
2009-11-05  3:10   ` Divyesh Shah
2009-11-05 14:42     ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-06  0:56       ` Divyesh Shah
2009-11-03 23:43 ` [PATCH 12/20] blkio: Export disk time and sectors dispatched from cgroup interface Vivek Goyal
2009-11-03 23:43 ` [PATCH 13/20] blkio: Add a group dequeue interface in cgroup for debugging Vivek Goyal
2009-11-03 23:43 ` [PATCH 14/20] blkio: Do not allow request merging across cfq groups Vivek Goyal
2009-11-03 23:43 ` [PATCH 15/20] blkio: Take care of preemptions across groups Vivek Goyal
2009-11-04 19:00   ` Jeff Moyer
2009-11-04 19:27     ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-04 19:30       ` Jeff Moyer
2009-11-06  7:55   ` Gui Jianfeng
2009-11-06 22:10     ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-09  7:41       ` Gui Jianfeng
2009-11-03 23:43 ` [PATCH 16/20] blkio: do not select co-operating queues from different cfq groups Vivek Goyal
2009-11-03 23:43 ` [PATCH 17/20] blkio: Wait for queue to get backlogged before it expires Vivek Goyal
2009-11-03 23:43 ` [PATCH 18/20] blkio: arm idle timer even if think time is great then time slice left Vivek Goyal
2009-11-04 19:04   ` Jeff Moyer
2009-11-04 19:17     ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-03 23:43 ` [PATCH 19/20] blkio: Arm slice timer even if there are requests in driver Vivek Goyal
2009-11-03 23:43 ` [PATCH 20/20] blkio: Drop the reference to queue once the task changes cgroup Vivek Goyal
2009-11-04 19:09   ` Jeff Moyer
2009-11-04 19:18     ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-04  7:43 ` [RFC] Block IO Controller V1 Jens Axboe
2009-11-04 13:39   ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-04 19:12 ` Jeff Moyer
2009-11-04 19:19   ` Vivek Goyal
2009-11-04 19:27     ` Jeff Moyer
2009-11-04 19:38       ` Vivek Goyal

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