From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Prasad <prasad@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@web.de>, Jiri Slaby <jirislaby@gmail.com>,
Li Zefan <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@redhat.com>,
Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/6] hw-breakpoints: Rewrite the hw-breakpoints layer on top of perf events
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:09:52 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091105110951.GB4877@nowhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <19186.5488.320389.567026@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 10:59:44AM +1100, Paul Mackerras wrote:
> Frederic Weisbecker writes:
>
> > This patch rebase the implementation of the breakpoints API on top of
> > perf events instances.
> >
> > Each breakpoints are now perf events that handle the
> > register scheduling, thread/cpu attachment, etc..
>
> What I haven't managed to understand yet is how you provide reliable
> breakpoints for debugging purposes. If I'm debugging a program and I
> have set a breakpoint, I'll be very unhappy if the breakpoint should
> trigger but doesn't because the perf_event infrastructure has decided
> it can't schedule that breakpoint in. If the breakpoint isn't going
> to work then I want to know that at the time that I set it.
That won't happen because of the set of constraints we have.
We never overcommit the debug register resources, except in
the case of non-pinned counter, but that's in their nature :)
> We can go some distance towards that with the pinned attribute, but
> not far enough. The pinned attribute doesn't guarantee that the event
> will always be scheduled in, it just says that we'll do our best to
> schedule it in, and if we can't, we'll put the event into error state
> so that the user knows we didn't manage to schedule it in. But
> there's no way to get back to gdb and tell it that a breakpoint that
> it had previously successfully created is no longer working.
>
> Also, we don't currently fail the creation of a pinned event if it
> would conflict with another pinned event already created in the same
> context. We would need to do something like that if we want to use
> pinned events for debugging breakpoints (as distinct from breakpoints
> for performance monitoring purposes, for which it matters less if they
> are sometimes not scheduled in).
>
> And then there's the question of whether a per-cpu pinned breakpoint
> event conflicts with a per-task pinned breakpoint event if you only
> have one breakpoint register (as is the case on Power server CPUs).
> Plus the fact that we don't currently give per-task pinned events
> priority over per-cpu non-pinned events (perhaps that would be a good
> idea anyway).
>
> Paul.
All that is already handled by the constraints.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-11-05 11:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-11-03 19:11 [GIT PULL v4] hw-breakpoints: Rewrite on top of perf events v4 Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-03 19:11 ` [PATCH 1/6] perf/core: Provide a kernel-internal interface to get to performance counters Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-03 19:11 ` [PATCH 2/6] x86/hw-breakpoints: Actually flush thread breakpoints in flush_thread() Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-03 19:11 ` [PATCH 3/6] perf/core: Add a callback to perf events Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-03 19:11 ` [PATCH 4/6] hw-breakpoints: Rewrite the hw-breakpoints layer on top of " Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-03 19:58 ` Jan Kiszka
2009-11-03 20:15 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-03 20:22 ` Jan Kiszka
2009-11-03 20:29 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-03 20:39 ` Jan Kiszka
2009-11-03 20:45 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-04 23:59 ` Paul Mackerras
2009-11-05 6:00 ` K.Prasad
2009-11-05 11:00 ` Paul Mackerras
2009-11-05 11:09 ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2009-11-07 10:03 ` Paul Mackerras
2009-11-07 19:52 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-05 11:03 ` Paul Mackerras
2009-11-05 11:11 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-05 15:34 ` K.Prasad
2009-11-05 21:06 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-08 17:32 ` K.Prasad
2009-11-12 15:42 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-03 19:11 ` [PATCH 5/6] hw-breakpoints: Arbitrate access to pmu following registers constraints Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-05 10:58 ` Paul Mackerras
2009-11-05 11:24 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-08 20:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-12 15:54 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-12 20:00 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-14 13:34 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-03 19:11 ` [PATCH 6/6] ksym_tracer: Remove KSYM_SELFTEST_ENTRY Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-05 14:13 ` [GIT PULL v4] hw-breakpoints: Rewrite on top of perf events v4 K.Prasad
2009-11-05 20:30 ` Frederic Weisbecker
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-10-24 14:16 [GIT PULL v2] hw-breakpoints: Rewrite on top of perf events Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-24 14:16 ` [PATCH 4/6] hw-breakpoints: Rewrite the hw-breakpoints layer " Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-24 16:19 ` Jan Kiszka
2009-10-25 23:31 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-26 8:17 ` Jan Kiszka
2009-11-01 21:09 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-01 22:09 ` Jan Kiszka
2009-11-01 22:49 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-01 23:37 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-02 7:45 ` Jan Kiszka
2009-11-02 13:04 ` Frederic Weisbecker
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