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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Prasad <prasad@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@web.de>, Jiri Slaby <jirislaby@gmail.com>,
	Li Zefan <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@redhat.com>,
	Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/6] hw-breakpoints: Rewrite the hw-breakpoints layer on top of perf events
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:52:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091107195204.GA4930@nowhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <19189.17876.115917.777652@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>

On Sat, Nov 07, 2009 at 09:03:00PM +1100, Paul Mackerras wrote:
> Frederic Weisbecker writes:
> 
> > On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 10:59:44AM +1100, Paul Mackerras wrote:
> > > What I haven't managed to understand yet is how you provide reliable
> > > breakpoints for debugging purposes.  If I'm debugging a program and I
> > > have set a breakpoint, I'll be very unhappy if the breakpoint should
> > > trigger but doesn't because the perf_event infrastructure has decided
> > > it can't schedule that breakpoint in.  If the breakpoint isn't going
> > > to work then I want to know that at the time that I set it.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > That won't happen because of the set of constraints we have.
> > We never overcommit the debug register resources, except in
> > the case of non-pinned counter, but that's in their nature :)
> 
> Suppose you have 4 breakpoint registers per cpu and there are two
> pinned per-cpu breakpoint events, three non-pinned per-cpu breakpoint
> events, and one pinned per-task breakpoint event.  I believe your
> constraints will allow that situation.
> 
> What will happen is that the two pinned per-cpu breakpoint events will
> use two of the hardware registers, and the three non-pinned per-cpu
> breakpoint events will get round-robined onto the other two hardware
> registers.  The per-task breakpoint will never get to use a hardware
> register, because the code in perf_event.c schedules per-cpu events
> before it schedules per-task events (see for example
> perf_event_task_tick()).



Oh! :-(

 
> We will have to make the event scheduling in kernel/perf_event.c a bit
> more sophisticated before we can guarantee that a pinned breakpoint
> event will always get to use a hardware register.
> 
> Paul.


Ok, so the only solution for now (a part from fixing that into perf) is to
consider the non-pinned events as being pinned in the constraints.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-07 19:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-03 19:11 [GIT PULL v4] hw-breakpoints: Rewrite on top of perf events v4 Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-03 19:11 ` [PATCH 1/6] perf/core: Provide a kernel-internal interface to get to performance counters Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-03 19:11 ` [PATCH 2/6] x86/hw-breakpoints: Actually flush thread breakpoints in flush_thread() Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-03 19:11 ` [PATCH 3/6] perf/core: Add a callback to perf events Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-03 19:11 ` [PATCH 4/6] hw-breakpoints: Rewrite the hw-breakpoints layer on top of " Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-03 19:58   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-11-03 20:15     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-03 20:22       ` Jan Kiszka
2009-11-03 20:29         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-03 20:39           ` Jan Kiszka
2009-11-03 20:45             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-04 23:59   ` Paul Mackerras
2009-11-05  6:00     ` K.Prasad
2009-11-05 11:00       ` Paul Mackerras
2009-11-05 11:09     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-07 10:03       ` Paul Mackerras
2009-11-07 19:52         ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2009-11-05 11:03   ` Paul Mackerras
2009-11-05 11:11     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-05 15:34   ` K.Prasad
2009-11-05 21:06     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-08 17:32       ` K.Prasad
2009-11-12 15:42         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-03 19:11 ` [PATCH 5/6] hw-breakpoints: Arbitrate access to pmu following registers constraints Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-05 10:58   ` Paul Mackerras
2009-11-05 11:24     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-08 20:56     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-12 15:54       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-12 20:00         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-14 13:34           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-03 19:11 ` [PATCH 6/6] ksym_tracer: Remove KSYM_SELFTEST_ENTRY Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-05 14:13 ` [GIT PULL v4] hw-breakpoints: Rewrite on top of perf events v4 K.Prasad
2009-11-05 20:30   ` Frederic Weisbecker
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-10-24 14:16 [GIT PULL v2] hw-breakpoints: Rewrite on top of perf events Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-24 14:16 ` [PATCH 4/6] hw-breakpoints: Rewrite the hw-breakpoints layer " Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-24 16:19   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-10-25 23:31     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-26  8:17       ` Jan Kiszka
2009-11-01 21:09         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-01 22:09           ` Jan Kiszka
2009-11-01 22:49             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-01 23:37             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-02  7:45               ` Jan Kiszka
2009-11-02 13:04                 ` Frederic Weisbecker

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