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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	auke-jan.h.kok@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] vfs: Add a trace point in the mark_inode_dirty function
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:56:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091111185628.GA17720@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091111182925.GH13262@mit.edu>


* Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 08:45:42AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > Without an inode->vfs-name lookup/matching service it's of limited 
> > utility though to developers and users. So inode numbers are fine (as 
> > nicely unique physical identifiers)- as long as corresponding vfs name 
> > string is available too.
> 
> Inode numbers are quite usable for me; but I'm not afraid to do
> 
>       debugfs /dev/sdb -R "ncheck 12345"
> 
> :-)
> 
> If you really want to avoid that, one relatively lightweight thing we 
> could do, which would avoid needing to dump the entire pathname out, 
> would be to print out the triple (devno, dir_ino, file_ino), and then 
> provide a privileged syscall which translates this to a user-visible 
> pathname.  It won't be necessarily the pathname which the user used to 
> open the file (since there might be links, and bind mounts, et. al), 
> but if the goal is to give one of the user-friendly names of the inode 
> (as opposed to _the_ pathname used to open the file), it's quite 
> sufficient.

Hm, why add a new syscall to retrieve the name we already had when the 
event happened?

Also, why add a new syscall to retrieve something that might not exist 
anymore? (the VFS namespace is quite dynamic - post-processing to 
retrieve names is fundamentally racy)

What matters most for analysis is the 'name of the moment' - the thing 
that the app used at that point.

Arjan isnt doing this just randomly, he's one of the few people trying 
to speed up Linux booting - and this is the info he finds useful. We 
should give that information in a reasonable way, and the tracepoint he 
proposed looks pretty reasonable.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-11 18:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-26  5:53 [PATCH] vfs: Add a trace point in the mark_inode_dirty function Arjan van de Ven
2009-10-26  6:03 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-26  6:55   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-10-27 16:01 ` Jason Baron
2009-11-11  2:01 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-11-11  6:34   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-11-11  6:40     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-11-11  7:42     ` Jeff Garzik
2009-11-11  7:45       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-11  7:56         ` Jeff Garzik
2009-11-11 11:15           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-11 17:27         ` Kok, Auke
2009-11-11 18:29         ` Theodore Tso
2009-11-11 18:56           ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-11-12  2:15           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-11-11 16:19       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-11-11 23:10         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2009-11-11 23:37           ` Kok, Auke
2009-11-12  7:22             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-20 10:43               ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-11-20 10:51                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-20 14:45                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-11-20 16:05                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-20 16:45                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-11-11  2:33 ` Li Zefan
2009-11-15 19:00   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-11-16  0:56     ` Li Zefan

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