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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	mingo@redhat.com, hpa@zytor.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, tglx@linutronix.de,
	linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [tip:perf/core] events: Rename TRACE_EVENT_TEMPLATE() to DECLARE_EVENT_CLASS()
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:55:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091126175548.GC4997@nowhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1259246730.21397.97.camel@gandalf.stny.rr.com>

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 09:45:30AM -0500, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 09:40 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > * Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
> > 
> 
> > > I would like to hear what others think about this change before we go 
> > > ahead and implement it.
> > 
> > You mean TRACE_EVENT() -> DEFINE_SINGLE_EVENT()? Sure, we want todo it 
> > in a more quiet moment of the kernel cycle, not now.
> > 
> > (TRACE_EVENT_TEMPLATE OTOH has existed for just a few days so it's not a 
> > problem.)
> 
> Yes the template name is new, I'm not talking about that on
> particularly.


I personally don't mind much about the name, especially
between class and template. Both make equally sense to me.

But DECLARE sounds like a misnomer here (like DEFINE_EVENT
somehow) as TRACE_EVENT, DEFINE_EVENT and TRACE_EVENT_TEMPLATE
all behave either as a declaration or a definition, depending
on the CREATE_TRACE_POINT macro.

Also, considering the arising question of notifiers and TRACE_EVENT
that are starting to collide in that we have two event callbacks
subsystems that could be gathered in one, I guess TRACE_EVENT will
become too general in the future.

If we consider improving the TRACE_EVENT to support tracing (like
it does already) but also blocking notifiers, atomic notifiers, etc...
by migrating the notifier code to TRACE_EVENT,
then the name should probably be reconsidered as a more general thing.

KERNEL_EVENT ? NOTIFY_EVENT ?

And then the CPP callbacks we are currently using for tracing should
probably be renamed as they won't concern the notifier callbacks.

TP_printk could be renamed as TRACE_print, TP_fast_assing could be
TRACE_fast_assign, etc...

 
> > 
> > > A lot of developers have just learned about TRACE_EVENT and now it 
> > > just disappeared. Well, not really, but in the sense of ' find 
> > > linux.git -name '*.[ch]' | xargs grep TRACE_EVENT' it no longer 
> > > exists.
> > 
> > A second problem with the TRACE_EVENT name is that it's not just for 
> > tracing - we dont necessarily 'trace' events here. We can use the event 
> > callbacks to collect pure counts:
> 
> Then we might as well rename the "trace_*" all over the kernel.


I think this should be kept. Although if notifier goes migrated in
TRACE_EVENT, having notify_event() would gather the two meanings of
trace_* and notify_*

 
> > DEFINE_SINGLE_EVENT() solves all these problems:
> > 
> >  - It's obvious what it does
> > 
> >  - It suggests users of it that there's another non-single-event 
> >    facility, gently nudging them towards the use of the more efficient
> >    DEFINE_EVENT_CLASS() + DEFINE_EVENT() method.
> > 
> >  - It fits nicely into the rest of the naming scheme.
> 
> Like I said earlier, I'm not really attached to the name. Except that
> there's already a lot of documentation (I've given tutorials about it)
> using the TRACE_EVENT name. But who am I to decide?


Not that I like much DEFINE_SINGLE_EVENT(), because DEFINE is ambiguous
and SINGLE too (single can indeed be interpreted as something that doesn't
need a class, but is also confusing as it suggests that DEFINE_EVENT defines
several events in once), but I think a tutorial shouldn't paralyze a
subsystem progression.

Why not having BUILD_EVENT_CLASS(), BUILD_EVENT_FROM_CLASS(), and BUILD_EVENT() ?

That said, TRACE_EVENT() can still remain as an alias.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-26 17:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-26  7:02 [PATCH 0/9] tracing: Convert some trace events to DEFINE_TRACE Li Zefan
2009-11-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 1/9] tracing: Convert module refcnt events to DEFINE_EVENT Li Zefan
2009-11-26  8:42   ` [tip:perf/core] " tip-bot for Li Zefan
2009-11-26  7:04 ` [PATCH 2/9] tracing: Convert some kmem " Li Zefan
2009-11-26  7:24   ` Pekka Enberg
2009-11-26  7:38     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-11-26  7:57     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-26  8:29       ` Steven Rostedt
2009-11-26  8:16   ` [tip:perf/core] events: Rename TRACE_EVENT_TEMPLATE() to DECLARE_EVENT_CLASS() tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2009-11-26  8:33     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-11-26  8:40       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-26 14:45         ` Steven Rostedt
2009-11-26 17:55           ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2009-11-26 18:12             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-26 19:12               ` Steven Rostedt
2009-11-26 19:20                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-26 19:44                   ` Steven Rostedt
2009-11-26 19:47                     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-11-26 23:13                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-27  3:52                       ` Steven Rostedt
2009-11-26  8:42   ` [tip:perf/core] tracing: Convert some kmem events to DEFINE_EVENT tip-bot for Li Zefan
2009-11-26 12:34   ` [tip:perf/core] tracing: Fix kmem event exports tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2009-11-26  7:04 ` [PATCH 3/9] tracing: Convert softirq events to DEFINE_EVENT Li Zefan
2009-11-26  8:43   ` [tip:perf/core] " tip-bot for Li Zefan
2009-11-26  7:05 ` [PATCH 4/9] tracing: Convert some workqueue " Li Zefan
2009-11-26  8:43   ` [tip:perf/core] " tip-bot for Li Zefan
2009-11-26  7:05 ` [PATCH 5/9] tracing: Convert some power " Li Zefan
2009-11-26  8:43   ` [tip:perf/core] " tip-bot for Li Zefan
2009-11-26  7:06 ` [PATCH 6/9] tracing: Convert some block " Li Zefan
2009-11-26  8:36   ` Jens Axboe
2009-11-26  8:44     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-26  8:47       ` Jens Axboe
2009-11-26  8:50         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-26  8:52           ` Jens Axboe
2009-11-26  8:43   ` [tip:perf/core] " tip-bot for Li Zefan
2009-11-26  7:06 ` [PATCH 7/9] tracing: Convert some jbd2 " Li Zefan
2009-11-26  8:44   ` [tip:perf/core] " tip-bot for Li Zefan
2009-11-26  7:07 ` [PATCH 8/9] tracing: Convert some ext4 events to DEFINE_TRACE Li Zefan
2009-11-26  8:44   ` [tip:perf/core] " tip-bot for Li Zefan
2009-11-26  7:08 ` [PATCH 9/9] tracing: Restore original format of sched events Li Zefan
2009-11-26  8:44   ` [tip:perf/core] " tip-bot for Li Zefan
2009-11-26  7:32 ` [PATCH 0/9] tracing: Convert some trace events to DEFINE_TRACE Steven Rostedt
2009-11-26  7:59   ` Ingo Molnar

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