From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Miloslav Trmac <mitr@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>,
Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>, Alan Cox <alan@linux.intel.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
Renaud Lottiaux <renaud.lottiaux@kerlabs.com>,
Louis Rilling <louis.rilling@kerlabs.com>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Stanislaw Gruszka <sgruszka@redhat.com>,
Veaceslav Falico <vfalico@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 4/4] copy_signal cleanup: clean tty_audit_fork()
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:54:27 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091207125427.GA4843@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2003788136.1223211260112670844.JavaMail.root@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
On 12/06, Miloslav Trmac wrote:
>
> ----- "Oleg Nesterov" <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On 12/05, Miloslav Trmac wrote:
> > > > Off-topic question to this who understands this code.
> > > >
> > > > But afaics we can also remove ->siglock from this helper and make
> > > > it really trivial for being inline. ->siglock buys nothing, we just
> > > > read a boolean. In fact, after the quick grep I do not understand
> > > > how ->siglock is connected to ->audit_tty. OK, it protects
> > > > tty_audit_buf,
> > > > but why we always take ->siglock to access ->audit_tty ?
> > > AFAIK there is no explicit documentation of the atomicity semantics
> > > expected by the Linux kernel (both from the hardware and from the compiler),
> > > so every access to the boolean is protected by a lock, to be on the safe side.
> >
> > Not sure I understand, but the kernel relies on fact it is always safe
> > to load/store a word.
> And is "word" an "unsigned", "unsigned long" or "intptr_t"? Must it be
> suitably aligned, and if so, what is "suitably"?
Sure, it must be aligned.
> Where is this documented?
Perhaps nowhere, I do not know. If this is not documented, probably
it would be nice to add a note.
> > What atomicity semantics do you mean and how ->siglock can help?
> At the very least, "any access will read the last value stored and not result
> in undefined behavior, even if other threads attempt to access the value".
> In user-space, per POSIX, the only way to guarantee this is using explicit
> synchronization primitives.
We have numerous examples in kernel code which rely on this fact.
If we are talking about copy_process() pathes, please look at, say,
sched_fork(). Say, we read current->normal_prio lockless, while another
thread could change ->normal_prio in parallel.
Oleg.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-12-07 13:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2009-12-06 15:17 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] copy_signal cleanup: clean tty_audit_fork() Miloslav Trmac
2009-12-07 12:54 ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2009-12-01 22:10 [PATCH 1/4] copy_signal cleanup: use zalloc and remove initializations Veaceslav Falico
2009-12-02 13:57 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-04 14:30 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] copy_signal cleanup: clean tty_audit_fork() Veaceslav Falico
2009-12-05 16:58 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-05 20:04 ` Miloslav Trmac
2009-12-06 14:49 ` Oleg Nesterov
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