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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@in.ibm.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 0/9] Fix various __task_cred related invalid RCU assumptions
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:28:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091210022825.GG6938@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091210001308.247025548@linutronix.de>

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:52:46AM -0000, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> While auditing the read_lock(&tasklist_lock) sites for a possible
> conversion to rcu-read_lock() I stumbled over an unprotected user of
> __task_cred in kernel/sys.c
> 
> That caused me to audit all the __task_cred usage sites except in
> kernel/exit.c.
> 
> Most of the usage sites are correct, but some of them trip over
> invalid assumptions about the protection which is given by RCU.
> 
> - spinlocked/preempt_disabled regions are equivalent to rcu_read_lock():
> 
>    That's wrong. RCU does not guarantee that. 
> 
>    It has been that way due to implementation details and it still is
>    valid for CONFIG_TREE_PREEMPT_RCU=n, but there is no guarantee that
>    this will be the case forever.

To back this up, item #2 from Documentation/RCU/checklist.txt says:

2.	Do the RCU read-side critical sections make proper use of
	rcu_read_lock() and friends?  These primitives are needed
	to prevent grace periods from ending prematurely, which
	could result in data being unceremoniously freed out from
	under your read-side code, which can greatly increase the
	actuarial risk of your kernel.

	As a rough rule of thumb, any dereference of an RCU-protected
	pointer must be covered by rcu_read_lock() or rcu_read_lock_bh()
	or by the appropriate update-side lock.

> - interrupt disabled regions are equivalent to rcu_read_lock():
> 
>   Wrong again. RCU does not guarantee that.
> 
>   It's true for current mainline, but again this is an implementation
>   detail and there is no guarantee by the RCU semantics.
> 
>   Indeed we want to get rid of that to avoid scalability issues on
>   large systems and preempt-rt got already rid of it to a certain
>   extent.

Same item #2 above covers this.

The only exception is when you use synchronize_sched(), as described
in the "Defer"/"Protect" list near line 323 of the 2.6.32 version of
Documentation/RCU/whatisRCU.txt:

	Defer			Protect

a.	synchronize_rcu()	rcu_read_lock() / rcu_read_unlock()
	call_rcu()

b.	call_rcu_bh()		rcu_read_lock_bh() / rcu_read_unlock_bh()

c.	synchronize_sched()	preempt_disable() / preempt_enable()
				local_irq_save() / local_irq_restore()
				hardirq enter / hardirq exit
				NMI enter / NMI exit

And yes, I need to update this based on the addition of
rcu_read_lock_sched() and friends.  I will be doing another
documentation update soon.

> I'm sure we are lucky that CONFIG_TREE_PREEMPT_RCU=y is not yet wide
> spread and the code pathes are esoteric enough not to trigger that
> subtle races (some of them might just error out silently).
> 
> Nevertheless we need to fix all invalid assumptions about RCU
> protection.

Agreed!!!

> The following patch series fixes all yet known affected __task_cred()
> sites, but there is more auditing of all other rcu users necessary.

Thank you very much for putting this series together -- I will take
a quick look at them.

							Thanx, Paul

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-12-10  2:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-10  0:52 [patch 0/9] Fix various __task_cred related invalid RCU assumptions Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-10  0:52 ` [patch 1/9] sys: Fix missing rcu protection for __task_cred() access Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-10  1:25   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-10  2:29     ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-10  2:43   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-10 14:29     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-10 14:44       ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-11 13:45         ` David Howells
2009-12-11 13:52           ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-10 14:20   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-10 14:38     ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-10 15:08     ` [patch 1/9] sys: Fix missing rcu protection for __task_cred()access Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-10 21:17       ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-11  3:25         ` Tetsuo Handa
2010-02-08 12:30         ` [PATCH] Update comment on find_task_by_pid_ns Tetsuo Handa
2010-02-08 13:21           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-02-08 17:07             ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-02-08 17:16               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-02-08 21:42                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2010-02-09 22:08                   ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-10 16:30                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-02-10 17:57                       ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-10 18:39                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-02-10 20:18                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-02-10 20:30                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-11  1:21                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2010-02-11 12:04     ` [PATCH] sys: Fix missing rcu protection for sys_getpriority Tetsuo Handa
2010-02-12 14:22       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-10 22:09   ` [tip:core/urgent] sys: Fix missing rcu protection for __task_cred() access tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-11 13:41   ` [patch 1/9] " David Howells
2009-12-10  0:52 ` [patch 2/9] fs: Add missing rcu protection for __task_cred() in sys_ioprio_get Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-11 13:46   ` David Howells
2009-12-10  0:53 ` [patch 3/9] proc: Add missing rcu protection for __task_cred() in task_sig() Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-11 13:46   ` David Howells
2009-12-10  0:53 ` [patch 4/9] oom: Add missing rcu protection of __task_cred() in dump_tasks Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-10  1:57   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-11 13:49   ` David Howells
2009-12-11 13:52     ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-10  0:53 ` [patch 5/9] security: Use get_task_cred() in keyctl_session_to_parent() Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-10  2:45   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-11 13:52   ` David Howells
2009-12-10  0:53 ` [patch 6/9] signal: Fix racy access to __task_cred in kill_pid_info_as_uid() Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-10 15:11   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-10 22:09   ` [tip:core/urgent] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-11 13:53   ` [patch 6/9] " David Howells
2009-12-10  0:53 ` [patch 7/9] signals: Fix more rcu assumptions Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-10 14:34   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-10 14:45     ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-11 13:59       ` David Howells
2009-12-10 22:09   ` [tip:core/urgent] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-10  0:53 ` [patch 8/9] Documentation: Fix invalid " Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-10 23:55   ` Vegard Nossum
2009-12-11 14:00   ` David Howells
2009-12-11 16:07     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-11 16:37       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-11 18:08         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-11 21:28   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-12-11 22:01     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-10  0:53 ` [patch 9/9] security: Fix invalid rcu assumptions in comments Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-11 14:01   ` David Howells
2009-12-10  2:28 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2009-12-10  3:15   ` [patch 0/9] Fix various __task_cred related invalid RCU assumptions Linus Torvalds
2009-12-10  5:13     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-10  5:34       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-13 18:56         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-14  1:53           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-14 10:17             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-14 14:16               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-14 14:30                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-15  1:23                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-11 13:39 ` David Howells
2009-12-11 16:35   ` Paul E. McKenney

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