From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>, San Mehat <san@google.com>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: sched: restore sanity
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:50:19 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091220175019.GA19472@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1261330592.4314.36.camel@laptop>
* Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-12-20 at 09:22 -0800, Joe Perches wrote:
> > On Sun, 2009-12-20 at 16:19 +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2009-12-20 at 07:05 -0800, San Mehat wrote:
> > > > >> Probably, but the rest is just as annoying, pr_* is crap.
> > > > Oh? Out of curiosity whats wrong with it?
> > > That's what should be asked of printk().
> >
> > pr_<level> offers some things printk cannot:
> >
> > o standardization, eliminates frequent missing KERN_ levels
> > and missing/typo/misspelled module prefixes
>
> There's other ways of fixing that, one way is to make it a proper
> function argument, like:
>
> printk(char level, char *fmt, ...);
>
> Which is something we have precedent for too in fprintf() and syslog().
>
> > o visually shorter, fewer chars used, less 80 char wrapping
>
> Fuck me senseless, visually less obvious too.
>
> > o finer grained ability to eliminate unnecessary messages
> > for embedded systems
>
> How is that not possible with another solution.
>
> > o standardized mechanism to prefix messages with module/function
>
> Who fucking gives a shit, that is the very thing that made me send the
> revert.
>
> > o eventual code reduction via use of a singleton instead of
> > duplicated module/function names
>
> text reduction?
>
> > o eventual dynamic_debug styled control of prefix by
> > module/function
>
> Feh, who cares, printk output simply shouldn't be frequent enough to
> need filtering, there's much better solutions for that.
>
> > There are quite of number of arbitrarily named module wrapper
> > macros and functions that build on printk.
>
> Then remove them all..
>
> Are you really arguing to fully deprecate printk()? If not this is all
> going to be useless since I'll simply keep using printk().
I dont mind that strongly but you (and Mike) objecting to it so forcefully
clearly tips the balance against the pr_*() lines in sched.c so i've queued up
your revert in the scheduler tree.
( I've Cc:-ed Linus and Andrew, in case they care one way or another. )
Thanks,
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-12-20 17:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-12-20 13:23 sched: restore sanity Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-20 14:27 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-20 14:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-20 14:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <236ccac0912200703g464912b1r421497ebf3b6ebc6@mail.gmail.com>
2009-12-20 15:05 ` San Mehat
2009-12-20 15:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-20 15:28 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-12-20 15:36 ` San Mehat
2009-12-20 17:22 ` Joe Perches
2009-12-20 17:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-20 17:50 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-12-20 17:57 ` Joe Perches
2009-12-20 17:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-20 18:17 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-20 18:21 ` Joe Perches
2009-12-21 0:48 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-21 1:20 ` Joe Perches
2009-12-22 10:11 ` Al Viro
2009-12-20 17:22 ` Joe Perches
2009-12-20 18:00 ` [tip:sched/urgent] sched: Restore printk sanity tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-20 20:36 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2009-12-21 20:40 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-25 13:26 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-25 18:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-27 0:45 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-27 5:56 ` Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <1261756819.4937.216.camel@laptop>
2009-12-25 18:39 ` Joe Perches
2009-12-25 18:47 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-20 18:06 ` tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-20 18:55 ` Joe Perches
2009-12-20 19:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-20 19:44 ` [PATCH] scripts/checkpatch.pl: Add WARN on printk format split on multiple lines Joe Perches
2009-12-20 20:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-20 22:12 ` [tip:sched/urgent] sched: Restore printk sanity tytso
2009-12-21 1:11 ` Joe Perches
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