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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, josh@joshtriplett.org,
	tglx@linutronix.de, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, dhowells@redhat.com,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] introduce sys_membarrier(): process-wide memory barrier (v5)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:26:09 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100114162609.GC3487@Krystal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1263460096.4244.282.camel@laptop>

* Peter Zijlstra (peterz@infradead.org) wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 14:36 -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > * Peter Zijlstra (peterz@infradead.org) wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 20:37 -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > > > +       for_each_cpu(cpu, tmpmask) {
> > > > +               spin_lock_irq(&cpu_rq(cpu)->lock);
> > > > +               mm = cpu_curr(cpu)->mm;
> > > > +               spin_unlock_irq(&cpu_rq(cpu)->lock);
> > > > +               if (current->mm != mm)
> > > > +                       cpumask_clear_cpu(cpu, tmpmask);
> > > > +       } 
> > > 
> > > Why not:
> > > 
> > >   rcu_read_lock();
> > >   if (current->mm != cpu_curr(cpu)->mm)
> > >     cpumask_clear_cpu(cpu, tmpmask);
> > >   rcu_read_unlock();
> > > 
> > > the RCU read lock ensures the task_struct obtained remains valid, and it
> > > avoids taking the rq->lock.
> > > 
> > 
> > If we go for a simple rcu_read_lock, I think that we need a smp_mb()
> > after switch_to() updates the current task on the remote CPU, before it
> > returns to user-space. Do we have this guarantee for all architectures ?
> > 
> > So what I'm looking for, overall, is:
> > 
> > schedule()
> >   ...
> >   switch_mm()
> >     smp_mb()
> >     clear mm_cpumask
> >     set mm_cpumask
> >   switch_to()
> >     update current task
> >     smp_mb()
> > 
> > If we have that, then the rcu_read_lock should work.
> > 
> > What the rq lock currently gives us is the guarantee that if the current
> > thread changes on a remote CPU while we are not holding this lock, then
> > a full scheduler execution is performed, which implies a memory barrier
> > if we change the current thread (it does, right ?).
> 
> I'm not quite seeing it, we have 4 possibilities, switches between
> threads with:
> 
>  a) our mm, another mm
> 
>    - if we observe the former, we'll send an IPI (redundant)
>    - if we observe the latter, the switch_mm will have issued an mb
> 
>  b) another mm, our mm
> 
>    - if we observe the former, we're good because the cpu didn't run our
>      thread when we called sys_membarrier()
>    - if we observe the latter, we'll send an IPI (redundant)

It's this scenario that is causing problem. Let's consider this
execution:

       CPU 0 (membarrier)                  CPU 1 (another mm -> our mm)
       <kernel-space>                      <kernel-space>
                                           switch_mm()
                                             smp_mb()
                                             clear_mm_cpumask()
                                             set_mm_cpumask()
                                             smp_mb() (by load_cr3() on x86)
                                           switch_to()
       mm_cpumask includes CPU 1
       rcu_read_lock()
       if (CPU 1 mm != our mm)
         skip CPU 1.
       rcu_read_unlock()
                                             current = next (1)
                                           <switch back to user-space>
                                           read-lock()
                                             read gp, store local gp
                                             barrier()
                                             access critical section (2)

So if we don't have any memory barrier between (1) and (2), the memory
operations can be reordered in such a way that CPU 0 will not send IPI
to a CPU that would need to have it's barrier() promoted into a
smp_mb().

Replacing these kernel rcu_read_lock/unlock() by rq locks ensures that
when the scheduler runs concurrently on another CPU, _all_ the scheduling
code is executed atomically wrt the spin lock taken on cpu 0.

When x86 uses iret to return to user-space, then we have a serializing
instruction. But if it uses sysexit, or if we are on a different
architecture, are we sure that a memory barrier is issued before
returning to user-space ?

Thanks,

Mathieu

> 
>  c) our mm, our mm
> 
>    - no matter which task we observe, we'll match and send an IPI
> 
>  d) another mm, another mm
> 
>    - no matter which task we observe, we'll not match and not send an
>      IPI.
> 
> 
> Or am I missing something?
> 

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
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  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-14 16:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-13  1:37 [RFC PATCH] introduce sys_membarrier(): process-wide memory barrier (v5) Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-13  3:23 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-13  3:58   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-13  4:47     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-13  5:33       ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-13 15:03       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-14  0:15         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-14  2:16           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-14  2:25             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-13  5:00 ` Nicholas Miell
2010-01-13  5:31   ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-13  5:39     ` Nicholas Miell
2010-01-13 14:38       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-13 18:07         ` Nicholas Miell
2010-01-13 18:24           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-13 18:41             ` Nicholas Miell
2010-01-13 19:17               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-13 19:42                 ` David Daney
2010-01-13 19:53                   ` Nicholas Miell
2010-01-13 23:42                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-13 15:58       ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-13 11:07 ` Heiko Carstens
2010-01-13 14:46   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-13 16:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-13 19:36   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-14  9:08     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-14 16:26       ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2010-01-14 17:03         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-14 17:54           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-14 18:37             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-14 18:52               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-14 19:33                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-14 21:26                   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-19 18:37                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-19 19:06                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-20  3:13                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-20  8:45                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-21 11:26                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-21 16:07                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-21 16:12                           ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-21 16:22                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-21 16:32                               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-21 17:02                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-21 16:17                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-21 17:01                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-19 19:43                     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-14 18:50             ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-19 16:47         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-19 17:11           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-19 17:30           ` Steven Rostedt

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