From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, josh@joshtriplett.org,
tglx@linutronix.de, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, dhowells@redhat.com,
laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] introduce sys_membarrier(): process-wide memory barrier (v5)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:26:09 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100114162609.GC3487@Krystal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1263460096.4244.282.camel@laptop>
* Peter Zijlstra (peterz@infradead.org) wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 14:36 -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > * Peter Zijlstra (peterz@infradead.org) wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 20:37 -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > > > + for_each_cpu(cpu, tmpmask) {
> > > > + spin_lock_irq(&cpu_rq(cpu)->lock);
> > > > + mm = cpu_curr(cpu)->mm;
> > > > + spin_unlock_irq(&cpu_rq(cpu)->lock);
> > > > + if (current->mm != mm)
> > > > + cpumask_clear_cpu(cpu, tmpmask);
> > > > + }
> > >
> > > Why not:
> > >
> > > rcu_read_lock();
> > > if (current->mm != cpu_curr(cpu)->mm)
> > > cpumask_clear_cpu(cpu, tmpmask);
> > > rcu_read_unlock();
> > >
> > > the RCU read lock ensures the task_struct obtained remains valid, and it
> > > avoids taking the rq->lock.
> > >
> >
> > If we go for a simple rcu_read_lock, I think that we need a smp_mb()
> > after switch_to() updates the current task on the remote CPU, before it
> > returns to user-space. Do we have this guarantee for all architectures ?
> >
> > So what I'm looking for, overall, is:
> >
> > schedule()
> > ...
> > switch_mm()
> > smp_mb()
> > clear mm_cpumask
> > set mm_cpumask
> > switch_to()
> > update current task
> > smp_mb()
> >
> > If we have that, then the rcu_read_lock should work.
> >
> > What the rq lock currently gives us is the guarantee that if the current
> > thread changes on a remote CPU while we are not holding this lock, then
> > a full scheduler execution is performed, which implies a memory barrier
> > if we change the current thread (it does, right ?).
>
> I'm not quite seeing it, we have 4 possibilities, switches between
> threads with:
>
> a) our mm, another mm
>
> - if we observe the former, we'll send an IPI (redundant)
> - if we observe the latter, the switch_mm will have issued an mb
>
> b) another mm, our mm
>
> - if we observe the former, we're good because the cpu didn't run our
> thread when we called sys_membarrier()
> - if we observe the latter, we'll send an IPI (redundant)
It's this scenario that is causing problem. Let's consider this
execution:
CPU 0 (membarrier) CPU 1 (another mm -> our mm)
<kernel-space> <kernel-space>
switch_mm()
smp_mb()
clear_mm_cpumask()
set_mm_cpumask()
smp_mb() (by load_cr3() on x86)
switch_to()
mm_cpumask includes CPU 1
rcu_read_lock()
if (CPU 1 mm != our mm)
skip CPU 1.
rcu_read_unlock()
current = next (1)
<switch back to user-space>
read-lock()
read gp, store local gp
barrier()
access critical section (2)
So if we don't have any memory barrier between (1) and (2), the memory
operations can be reordered in such a way that CPU 0 will not send IPI
to a CPU that would need to have it's barrier() promoted into a
smp_mb().
Replacing these kernel rcu_read_lock/unlock() by rq locks ensures that
when the scheduler runs concurrently on another CPU, _all_ the scheduling
code is executed atomically wrt the spin lock taken on cpu 0.
When x86 uses iret to return to user-space, then we have a serializing
instruction. But if it uses sysexit, or if we are on a different
architecture, are we sure that a memory barrier is issued before
returning to user-space ?
Thanks,
Mathieu
>
> c) our mm, our mm
>
> - no matter which task we observe, we'll match and send an IPI
>
> d) another mm, another mm
>
> - no matter which task we observe, we'll not match and not send an
> IPI.
>
>
> Or am I missing something?
>
--
Mathieu Desnoyers
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-01-14 16:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-01-13 1:37 [RFC PATCH] introduce sys_membarrier(): process-wide memory barrier (v5) Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-13 3:23 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-13 3:58 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-13 4:47 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-13 5:33 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-13 15:03 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-14 0:15 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-14 2:16 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-14 2:25 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-13 5:00 ` Nicholas Miell
2010-01-13 5:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-13 5:39 ` Nicholas Miell
2010-01-13 14:38 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-13 18:07 ` Nicholas Miell
2010-01-13 18:24 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-13 18:41 ` Nicholas Miell
2010-01-13 19:17 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-13 19:42 ` David Daney
2010-01-13 19:53 ` Nicholas Miell
2010-01-13 23:42 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-13 15:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-13 11:07 ` Heiko Carstens
2010-01-13 14:46 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-13 16:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-13 19:36 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-14 9:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-14 16:26 ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2010-01-14 17:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-14 17:54 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-14 18:37 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-14 18:52 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-14 19:33 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-14 21:26 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-19 18:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-19 19:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-20 3:13 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-20 8:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-21 11:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-21 16:07 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-21 16:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-21 16:22 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-21 16:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-21 17:02 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-21 16:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-21 17:01 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-19 19:43 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-14 18:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-19 16:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-19 17:11 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-19 17:30 ` Steven Rostedt
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