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From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: dentries: dentry defragmentation
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:16:45 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100201101645.GF12759@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100201101013.GG29555@one.firstfloor.org>

On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 11:10:13AM +0100, Andi Kleen wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 06:08:35PM +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> > I always preferred to do defrag in the opposite way. Ie. query the
> > slab allocator from existing shrinkers rather than opposite way
> > around. This lets you reuse more of the locking and refcounting etc.
> 
> I looked at this for hwpoison soft offline.
> 
> But it works really badly because the LRU list ordering 
> has nothing to do with the actual ordering inside the slab pages.

No, you don't *have* to follow LRU order. The most important thing
is if you followed what I wrote is to get a pin on the objects and
the slabs via the regular shrinker path first, then querying slab
rather than calling into all these subsystems from an atomic, and
non-slab-reentrant path.

Following LRU order would just be the first and simplest cut at
this.

 
> Christoph's basic approach is more efficient.

I want to see numbers because it is also the far more complex
approach.

 
> > So you have a pin on the object somehow via the normal shrinker path,
> > and therefore you get a pin on the underlying slab. I would just like
> > to see even performance of a real simple approach that just asks
> > whether we are in this slab defrag mode, and if so, whether the slab
> > is very sparse. If yes, then reclaim aggressively.
> 
> The typical result is that you need to get through most of the LRU
> list (and prune them all) just to free the page.

Really? If you have a large proportion of slabs which are quite
internally fragmented, then I would have thought it would give a
significant improvement (aggressive reclaim, that is).


> > If that doesn't perform well enough and you have to go further and
> 
> It doesn't.

Can we see your numbers? And the patches you tried?

Thanks,
Nick

  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-01 10:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-29 20:49 Slab Fragmentation Reduction V15 Christoph Lameter
2010-01-29 20:49 ` slub: Add defrag_ratio field and sysfs support Christoph Lameter
2010-01-29 20:49 ` slub: Replace ctor field with ops field in /sys/slab/* Christoph Lameter
2010-01-29 20:49 ` slub: Add get() and kick() methods Christoph Lameter
2010-01-29 20:49 ` slub: Sort slab cache list and establish maximum objects for defrag slabs Christoph Lameter
2010-01-29 20:49 ` slub: Slab defrag core Christoph Lameter
2010-01-29 20:49 ` slub: Add KICKABLE to avoid repeated kick() attempts Christoph Lameter
2010-01-29 20:49 ` slub: Extend slabinfo to support -D and -F options Christoph Lameter
2010-01-29 20:49 ` slub/slabinfo: add defrag statistics Christoph Lameter
2010-01-29 20:49 ` slub: Trigger defragmentation from memory reclaim Christoph Lameter
2010-01-29 20:49 ` buffer heads: Support slab defrag Christoph Lameter
2010-01-30  1:59   ` Dave Chinner
2010-02-01  6:39   ` Nick Piggin
2010-01-29 20:49 ` inodes: Support generic defragmentation Christoph Lameter
2010-01-30  2:43   ` Dave Chinner
2010-02-01 17:50     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-30 19:26   ` tytso
2010-01-31  8:34     ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-31 13:59       ` Dave Chinner
2010-02-03 15:31         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-02-04  0:34           ` Dave Chinner
2010-02-04  3:07             ` tytso
2010-02-04  3:39               ` Dave Chinner
2010-02-04  9:33                 ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-04 17:13                   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-02-08  7:37                     ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-08 17:40                       ` Christoph Lameter
2010-02-08 22:13                       ` Dave Chinner
2010-02-04 16:59                 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-02-06  0:39                   ` Dave Chinner
2010-01-31 21:02       ` tytso
2010-02-01 10:17         ` Andi Kleen
2010-02-01 13:47           ` tytso
2010-02-01 13:54             ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-29 20:49 ` Filesystem: Ext2 filesystem defrag Christoph Lameter
2010-01-29 20:49 ` Filesystem: Ext3 " Christoph Lameter
2010-01-29 20:49 ` Filesystem: Ext4 " Christoph Lameter
2010-01-29 20:49 ` Filesystem: XFS slab defragmentation Christoph Lameter
2010-01-29 20:49 ` Filesystems: /proc filesystem support for slab defrag Christoph Lameter
2010-01-29 20:49 ` dentries: dentry defragmentation Christoph Lameter
2010-01-29 22:00   ` Al Viro
2010-02-01  7:08     ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-01 10:10       ` Andi Kleen
2010-02-01 10:16         ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2010-02-01 10:22           ` Andi Kleen
2010-02-01 10:35             ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-01 10:45               ` Andi Kleen
2010-02-01 10:56                 ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-01 13:25                   ` Andi Kleen
2010-02-01 13:36                     ` Nick Piggin
2010-01-29 20:49 ` slub defrag: Transition patch upstream -> -next Christoph Lameter
2010-01-30  8:54 ` Slab Fragmentation Reduction V15 Pekka Enberg
2010-01-30 10:48 ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-30 14:53   ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-01 17:53     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-02-01 17:52   ` Christoph Lameter

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