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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Hitoshi Mitake <mitake@dcl.info.waseda.ac.jp>,
	Li Zefan <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@redhat.com>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/11] tracing/perf: Fix lock events recursions in the fast path
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 12:12:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100206111209.GC5062@nowhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1265374915.22001.562.camel@laptop>

On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 02:01:55PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 13:12 +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 13:10 +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 11:49 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > That said, I'm not at all happy about removing lockdep annotations to make 
> > > > > the tracer faster, that's really counter productive.
> > > > 
> > > > Are there no dynamic techniques that could be used here?
> > > > 
> > > > Lockdep obviously wants maximum instrumentation coverage - performance be 
> > > > damned.
> > > > 
> > > > Lock profiling/tracing/visualization wants the minimum subset of events it is 
> > > > interested in - everything else is unnecessary overhead.
> > > 
> > > Well, they could start by moving the tracepoint inside the lockdep
> > > recursion check.
> > 
> > IIRC the reason its now outside is that you'd loose tracepoint on
> > lockdep_off() usage, but having the tracer folks help on removing any
> > such usage is of course a good thing.
> > 
> > The usage thereof in nmi_enter() doesn't seem like a problem, since
> > you're not supposed to be using locks from nmi context anyway, more so,
> > I'd not be adverse to putting BUG_ON(in_nmi()) in every lockdep hook.
> 
> Another nasty side effect is that it (lockdep recursion) isn't IRQ aware
> in that we don't do any tracking for IRQ's that hit while we're doing
> lockdep. We can fix that using a recursion context like we did for perf,
> that would actually improve lockdep itself too.


Yep, I agree with you. With the lockdep recursion check fixed to be
subtle enough for that + the lock events under lockdep recursion checks,
it fixes the situation while keeping the lockdep coverage in perf
tracing path for other cases.

I will start by adressing this.

That said, I think this is good for a first step, but we can't continue
to force the lock events -> lockdep dependency in the long term. We
can't have a serious lock profiling if we are doomed to suffer the
slowness due to lockdep checks at the same time.

Sure we can continue to support having both, but I think we should also
think about a solution to handle lock events without it in the future.
That will require some minimal lockdep functionalities (keeping the
lockdep map, and class hashes).

Thanks.


  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-06 11:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-03  9:14 [RFC GIT PULL] perf/trace/lock optimization/scalability improvements Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03  9:14 ` [PATCH 01/11] tracing: Add lock_class_init event Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03  9:14 ` [PATCH 02/11] tracing: Introduce TRACE_EVENT_INJECT Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-05 14:08   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-05 14:47   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-05 14:53     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-05 15:07       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-06 12:20         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-06 13:19           ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-10 10:04             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-10 14:05               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-11 18:57                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-11 19:23                   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-03  9:14 ` [PATCH 03/11] tracing: Inject lock_class_init events on registration Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-05 14:13   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-05 14:30     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-05 14:44       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-03  9:14 ` [PATCH 04/11] tracing: Add lock class id in lock_acquire event Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03  9:14 ` [PATCH 05/11] perf: New PERF_EVENT_IOC_INJECT ioctl Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03  9:19   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03  9:14 ` [PATCH 06/11] perf: Handle injection ioctl with trace events Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03  9:14 ` [PATCH 07/11] perf: Handle injection iotcl for tracepoints from perf record Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03  9:14 ` [PATCH 08/11] perf/lock: Add support for lock_class_init events Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03  9:14 ` [PATCH 09/11] tracing: Remove the lock name from most lock events Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03  9:14 ` [PATCH 10/11] tracing/perf: Fix lock events recursions in the fast path Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-04 15:47   ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-05  2:38     ` Lai Jiangshan
2010-02-05  9:45       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-05  9:50         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-05 10:49           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-05 12:10             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-05 12:12               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-05 13:01                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-06 11:12                   ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2010-02-06 11:24                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-06 11:40                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-06 14:17                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-06 16:10                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-07  9:45                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-10 10:17                               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-28 22:24                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03  9:14 ` [PATCH 11/11] perf lock: Drop the buffers multiplexing dependency Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 10:25 ` [RFC GIT PULL] perf/trace/lock optimization/scalability improvements Jens Axboe
2010-02-03 20:50   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 21:21     ` Jens Axboe
2010-02-03 22:13       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-04 19:40     ` Jens Axboe
2010-02-06 10:37       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 10:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-03 21:26   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 10:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-03 22:07   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-04  6:33     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-07 17:10     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-10 10:49       ` Frederic Weisbecker

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