From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
Hitoshi Mitake <mitake@dcl.info.waseda.ac.jp>,
Li Zefan <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>,
Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@redhat.com>,
Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/11] tracing/perf: Fix lock events recursions in the fast path
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 12:12:12 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100206111209.GC5062@nowhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1265374915.22001.562.camel@laptop>
On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 02:01:55PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 13:12 +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 13:10 +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 11:49 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > That said, I'm not at all happy about removing lockdep annotations to make
> > > > > the tracer faster, that's really counter productive.
> > > >
> > > > Are there no dynamic techniques that could be used here?
> > > >
> > > > Lockdep obviously wants maximum instrumentation coverage - performance be
> > > > damned.
> > > >
> > > > Lock profiling/tracing/visualization wants the minimum subset of events it is
> > > > interested in - everything else is unnecessary overhead.
> > >
> > > Well, they could start by moving the tracepoint inside the lockdep
> > > recursion check.
> >
> > IIRC the reason its now outside is that you'd loose tracepoint on
> > lockdep_off() usage, but having the tracer folks help on removing any
> > such usage is of course a good thing.
> >
> > The usage thereof in nmi_enter() doesn't seem like a problem, since
> > you're not supposed to be using locks from nmi context anyway, more so,
> > I'd not be adverse to putting BUG_ON(in_nmi()) in every lockdep hook.
>
> Another nasty side effect is that it (lockdep recursion) isn't IRQ aware
> in that we don't do any tracking for IRQ's that hit while we're doing
> lockdep. We can fix that using a recursion context like we did for perf,
> that would actually improve lockdep itself too.
Yep, I agree with you. With the lockdep recursion check fixed to be
subtle enough for that + the lock events under lockdep recursion checks,
it fixes the situation while keeping the lockdep coverage in perf
tracing path for other cases.
I will start by adressing this.
That said, I think this is good for a first step, but we can't continue
to force the lock events -> lockdep dependency in the long term. We
can't have a serious lock profiling if we are doomed to suffer the
slowness due to lockdep checks at the same time.
Sure we can continue to support having both, but I think we should also
think about a solution to handle lock events without it in the future.
That will require some minimal lockdep functionalities (keeping the
lockdep map, and class hashes).
Thanks.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-02-06 11:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-02-03 9:14 [RFC GIT PULL] perf/trace/lock optimization/scalability improvements Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 9:14 ` [PATCH 01/11] tracing: Add lock_class_init event Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 9:14 ` [PATCH 02/11] tracing: Introduce TRACE_EVENT_INJECT Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-05 14:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-05 14:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-05 14:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-05 15:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-06 12:20 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-06 13:19 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-10 10:04 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-10 14:05 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-11 18:57 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-11 19:23 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-03 9:14 ` [PATCH 03/11] tracing: Inject lock_class_init events on registration Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-05 14:13 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-05 14:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-05 14:44 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-03 9:14 ` [PATCH 04/11] tracing: Add lock class id in lock_acquire event Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 9:14 ` [PATCH 05/11] perf: New PERF_EVENT_IOC_INJECT ioctl Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 9:19 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 9:14 ` [PATCH 06/11] perf: Handle injection ioctl with trace events Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 9:14 ` [PATCH 07/11] perf: Handle injection iotcl for tracepoints from perf record Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 9:14 ` [PATCH 08/11] perf/lock: Add support for lock_class_init events Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 9:14 ` [PATCH 09/11] tracing: Remove the lock name from most lock events Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 9:14 ` [PATCH 10/11] tracing/perf: Fix lock events recursions in the fast path Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-04 15:47 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-05 2:38 ` Lai Jiangshan
2010-02-05 9:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-05 9:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-05 10:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-05 12:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-05 12:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-05 13:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-06 11:12 ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2010-02-06 11:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-06 11:40 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-06 14:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-06 16:10 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-07 9:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-10 10:17 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-28 22:24 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 9:14 ` [PATCH 11/11] perf lock: Drop the buffers multiplexing dependency Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 10:25 ` [RFC GIT PULL] perf/trace/lock optimization/scalability improvements Jens Axboe
2010-02-03 20:50 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 21:21 ` Jens Axboe
2010-02-03 22:13 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-04 19:40 ` Jens Axboe
2010-02-06 10:37 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 10:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-03 21:26 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 10:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-03 22:07 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-04 6:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-07 17:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-10 10:49 ` Frederic Weisbecker
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