From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Lubos Lunak <l.lunak@suse.cz>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [patch 4/7 -mm] oom: badness heuristic rewrite
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:31:05 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100211143105.dea3861a.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1002111346050.8809@chino.kir.corp.google.com>
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:51:36 -0800 (PST)
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010, Andrew Morton wrote:
>
> > > Changing any value that may have a tendency to be hardcoded elsewhere is
> > > always controversial, but I think the nature of /proc/pid/oom_adj allows
> > > us to do so for two specific reasons:
> > >
> > > - hardcoded values tend not the fall within a range, they tend to either
> > > always prefer a certain task for oom kill first or disable oom killing
> > > entirely. The current implementation uses this as a bitshift on a
> > > seemingly unpredictable and unscientific heuristic that is very
> > > difficult to predict at runtime. This means that fewer and fewer
> > > applications would hardcode a value of '8', for example, because its
> > > semantics depends entirely on RAM capacity of the system to begin with
> > > since badness() scores are only useful when used in comparison with
> > > other tasks.
> >
> > You'd be amazed what dumb things applications do. Get thee to
> > http://google.com/codesearch?hl=en&lr=&q=[^a-z]oom_adj[^a-z]&sbtn=Search
> > and start reading. All 641 matches ;)
> >
> > Here's one which which writes -16:
> > http://google.com/codesearch/p?hl=en#eN5TNOm7KtI/trunk/wlan/vendor/asus/eeepc/init.rc&q=[^a-z]oom_adj[^a-z]&sa=N&cd=70&ct=rc
> >
> > Let's not change the ABI please.
> >
>
> Sigh, this is going to require the amount of system memory to be
> partitioned into OOM_ADJUST_MAX, 15, chunks and that's going to be the
> granularity at which we'll be able to either bias or discount memory usage
> of individual tasks by: instead of being able to do this with 0.1%
> granularity we'll now be limited to 100 / 15, or ~7%. That's ~9GB on my
> 128GB system just because this was originally a bitshift. The upside is
> that it's now linear and not exponential.
Can you add newly-named knobs (rather than modifying the existing
ones), deprecate the old ones and then massage writes to the old ones
so that they talk into the new framework?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-02-11 22:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-02-10 16:32 [patch 0/7 -mm] oom killer rewrite David Rientjes
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 1/7 -mm] oom: filter tasks not sharing the same cpuset David Rientjes
2010-02-10 17:08 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-11 23:52 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-15 2:56 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15 22:06 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 4:52 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16 6:01 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16 7:03 ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-16 8:49 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 9:04 ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-16 9:10 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 8:46 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 2/7 -mm] oom: sacrifice child with highest badness score for parent David Rientjes
2010-02-10 20:52 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-12 0:00 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12 0:15 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-13 2:49 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-15 3:08 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 3/7 -mm] oom: select task from tasklist for mempolicy ooms David Rientjes
2010-02-10 22:47 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-15 5:03 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15 22:11 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 5:15 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16 21:52 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17 0:48 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17 1:13 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 4/7 -mm] oom: badness heuristic rewrite David Rientjes
2010-02-11 4:10 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-11 9:14 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 15:07 ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-11 21:01 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 21:43 ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-11 21:51 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 22:31 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2010-02-11 22:42 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 23:11 ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-11 23:31 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 23:37 ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-12 13:56 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-12 21:00 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-13 2:45 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-15 21:54 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 13:14 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-16 21:41 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17 7:41 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-17 9:23 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17 13:08 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-15 8:05 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 5/7 -mm] oom: replace sysctls with quick mode David Rientjes
2010-02-12 0:26 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12 9:58 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15 8:09 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15 22:15 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 5:25 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16 9:04 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 6/7 -mm] oom: avoid oom killer for lowmem allocations David Rientjes
2010-02-11 4:13 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-11 9:19 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 14:08 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-12 1:28 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12 10:06 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15 0:09 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-15 22:01 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15 8:29 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 7/7 -mm] oom: remove unnecessary code and cleanup David Rientjes
2010-02-12 0:12 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12 0:21 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15 8:31 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15 2:51 ` [patch 0/7 -mm] oom killer rewrite KOSAKI Motohiro
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