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From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	fengguang.wu@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] mm: Implement writeback livelock avoidance using page tagging
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 03:21:27 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100215162127.GU5723@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100215154751.GG3434@quack.suse.cz>

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 04:47:51PM +0100, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Fri 12-02-10 11:39:55, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:06:23 +0100
> > Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz> wrote:
> > 
> > > The idea is simple: Tag all pages that should be written back
> > > with a special tag (TOWRITE) in the radix tree. This can be done
> > > rather quickly and thus livelocks should not happen in practice.
> > > Then we start doing the hard work of locking pages and sending
> > > them to disk only for those pages that have TOWRITE tag set.
> > 
> > Adding a second pass across all the pages sounds expensive?
>   Strictly speaking it's just through the radix tree and only through
> branches with DIRTY_TAG set. But yes, there is some additional CPU cost.
> I just thought that given the total cost of submitting a page it is
> an acceptable increase and the simplification is worth it.
>   Would some numbers make you happier? Any suggestion for measurements?
> Because I think that even for writes to tmpfs the change will be lost
> in the noise...


Although hmm, if it is a very large file with *lots* of dirty pages
then it might become a noticable proportion of the cost.

Dave Chinner would probably tell you he's seen files with many
gigabytes dirty, and what is nr_to_write set to? 1024 is it? So you
might be tagging hundreds or thousands of radix tree entries per
page you write.

Also, I wonder what you think about leaving the tags dangling when
the loop bails out early? I have a *slight* concern about this
because previously we never have a tag set when radix_tree_delete
is called. I actually had a bug in that code in earlier versions
of rcu radix tree that only got found by the user test harness.
And another slight concern that it is just a bit ugly to leave the
tag. But I can accept that lower CPU overhead trumps ugliness :)


  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-15 16:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-11 23:06 [RFC] [PATCH 0/3] Writeback livelock avoidance using page tags (v2) Jan Kara
2010-02-11 23:06 ` [PATCH 1/3] radix-tree: Implement function radix_tree_gang_tag_if_tagged Jan Kara
2010-02-15 16:01   ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-11 23:06 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: Implement writeback livelock avoidance using page tagging Jan Kara
2010-02-12 19:39   ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-15 15:47     ` Jan Kara
2010-02-15 16:21       ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2010-02-15 16:24         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-02-15 16:37           ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-15 19:57         ` Jan Kara
2010-02-16 14:19           ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-11 23:06 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm: Debugging of new livelock avoidance Jan Kara

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