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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, laijs@cn.fujitsu.com,
	dipankar@in.ibm.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, dvhltc@us.ibm.com, niv@us.ibm.com,
	tglx@linutronix.de, peterz@infradead.org, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, dhowells@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/10] __rcu annotations, first draft
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:37:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100225083751.GA18272@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1267041846-10469-1-git-send-email-arnd@arndb.de>


* Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:

> On Tuesday 23 February 2010, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > I've just started an experimental implementation and got stuck at list rcu.
> > > The two to deal with it that I can see are
> > > - ignore list-rcu for now, and make all include/linux/rculist.h __force the
> > >   problem to be ignored.
> > > - introduce a new struct rcu_list_head that needs to be used for list rcu.
> > >
> > > A nicer option might be if sparse would let you write
> > > 'struct list_head __rcu head' and interpret that as having the pointers
> > > inside it annotated as __rcu.
> >
> > Only the "next" pointer, not the "prev" pointer, but yes.
> >
> > Perhaps it would be best to see if the sparse guys are willing to take
> > this on?
> 
> I've implemented the second option now, and this seems to work alright.
> In order to test this out, I've annotated all rcu users in the kernel
> directory. One observation is that many members of task_struct are
> using RCU inconsistently. I'm not sure whether these should be considered
> bugs or false positives though. If we get a lot of false positives or
> people are generally unhappy about the annotations, they are not worth
> it, but if we find a few actual bugs, I guess it would be good to
> have this.
> 
> Examples of pointers that I did not annotate because most of the
> places accessing them do not use RCU are task->sighand, task->nsproxy,
> and task->real_parent.
> 
> Sorry for hijacking the discussion on your patch, but I assume that
> the same people interested in the lockdep diagnostics are also
> interested in the static annotations for RCU.
> 
> 	Arnd
> 
> Arnd Bergmann (10):
>   rcu: define __rcu address space modifier for sparse
>   rcu: annotated list rcu code
>   cgroups: __rcu annotations
>   credentials: rcu annotation
>   perf_event: __rcu annotations
>   audit: __rcu annotations
>   module: __rcu annotations
>   pid: __rcu annotations
>   notifiers: __rcu annotations
>   scheduler: __rcu annotations
> 
>  include/linux/cgroup.h     |    6 +-
>  include/linux/compiler.h   |    2 +
>  include/linux/cred.h       |    4 +-
>  include/linux/fdtable.h    |    2 +-
>  include/linux/init_task.h  |    6 +-
>  include/linux/module.h     |    4 +-
>  include/linux/notifier.h   |   10 ++--
>  include/linux/perf_event.h |   10 ++--
>  include/linux/pid.h        |    9 ++-
>  include/linux/rculist.h    |  152 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++------------
>  include/linux/rcupdate.h   |   46 ++++++++++++--
>  include/linux/sched.h      |   14 ++--
>  kernel/audit.c             |    4 +-
>  kernel/audit.h             |    6 +-
>  kernel/audit_tree.c        |   14 ++--
>  kernel/auditfilter.c       |   28 ++++----
>  kernel/auditsc.c           |    8 +-
>  kernel/cgroup.c            |   63 ++++++++++---------
>  kernel/cpuset.c            |    2 +-
>  kernel/cred.c              |   50 ++++++++-------
>  kernel/exit.c              |   12 ++--
>  kernel/fork.c              |    6 +-
>  kernel/module.c            |   20 ++++--
>  kernel/notifier.c          |   12 ++--
>  kernel/perf_event.c        |   52 ++++++++--------
>  kernel/pid.c               |    8 +-
>  kernel/sched.c             |   31 +++++----
>  27 files changed, 352 insertions(+), 229 deletions(-)

This looks very clean IMO.

By far the biggest remaining design aspects of RCU is that it's somewhat on 
the opaque side of APIs: it's not immediately obvious when a data structure 
(and subsequently, code using that date structure) is affected by RCU 
semantics.

This is good in terms of API utility: you _can_ use it with very little 
resistence on the way - you can combine RCU and non-RCU code with few 
syntactic constraints imposed.

That kind of flexibility inevitably has its downsides: with a quick guess i'd 
say more than half of the non-trivial RCU related usage bugs in various 
subsystem stemmed out of using non-RCU facilities on RCU data structures.

So the annotation both 'look' clean [which alone is a plus as people write new 
code] and they also might result in bugfixes ...

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-02-25  8:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-23  1:04 [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/21] v6 add lockdep-based diagnostics to rcu_dereference() Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 01/21] rcu: introduce lockdep-based checking to RCU read-side primitives Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:09   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Introduce " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 02/21] rcu: add lockdep-enabled variants of rcu_dereference() Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:09   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Add " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 03/21] rcu: integrate rcu_dereference_check() message into lockdep Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:09   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Integrate " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 04/21] rcu: disable lockdep checking in RCU list-traversal primitives Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:10   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Disable " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 05/21] net: add checking to rcu_dereference() primitives Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:10   ` [tip:core/rcu] net: Add " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 06/21] sched: use lockdep-based checking on rcu_dereference() Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:11   ` [tip:core/rcu] sched: Use " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 11:06   ` [tip:core/rcu] sched, cgroups: Fix module export tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 07/21] sched: better name for for_each_domain_rd Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:11   ` [tip:core/rcu] sched: Better " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 08/21] vfs: apply lockdep-based checking to rcu_dereference() uses Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:11   ` [tip:core/rcu] vfs: Apply " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 09/21] vfs: abstract rcu_dereference_check for files-fdtable use Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:11   ` [tip:core/rcu] vfs: Abstract " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 10/21] radix-tree: disable RCU lockdep checking in radix tree Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:12   ` [tip:core/rcu] radix-tree: Disable " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 11/21] idr: apply lockdep-based diagnostics to rcu_dereference() uses Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:12   ` [tip:core/rcu] idr: Apply " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 12/21] security: apply lockdep-based checking " Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:12   ` [tip:core/rcu] security: Apply " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 13/21] rcu: documentation update for CONFIG_PROVE_RCU Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:12   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Documentation " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 14/21] rcu: fix citation of Mathieu's dissertation Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:13   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Fix " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:04 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 15/21] rcu: accelerate grace period if last non-dynticked CPU Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:13   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Accelerate " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:05 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 16/21] rcu: use canonical URL for Mathieu's dissertation Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:13   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Use " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:05 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 17/21] rcu: stop overflowing signed integers Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:14   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Stop " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:05 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 18/21] rcu: Convert to raw_spinlocks Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:14   ` [tip:core/rcu] " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:05 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 19/21] rcu: fix deadlock in TREE_PREEMPT_RCU CPU stall detection Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:14   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Fix " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:05 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 20/21] rcu: fix rcutorture mod_timer argument to delay one jiffy Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:14   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Fix " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23  1:05 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 21/21] rcu: add RCU_CPU_STALL_VERBOSE to dump detailed per-task information Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:15   ` [tip:core/rcu] rcu: Add " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23 12:59 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/21] v6 add lockdep-based diagnostics to rcu_dereference() Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-23 13:15   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-23 14:35     ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23 15:54     ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-23 16:16       ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-23 17:15         ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-23 18:01           ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-24 20:03             ` [PATCH 00/10] __rcu annotations, first draft Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 22:18               ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25  8:37               ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2010-02-24 20:03             ` [PATCH 01/10] rcu: define __rcu address space modifier for sparse Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 20:12               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-24 20:22                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 20:03             ` [PATCH 02/10] rcu: annotated list rcu code Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 20:15               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-24 20:32                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 20:03             ` [PATCH 03/10] cgroups: __rcu annotations Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 20:04             ` [PATCH 04/10] credentials: rcu annotation Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 20:04             ` [PATCH 05/10] perf_event: __rcu annotations Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 20:04             ` [PATCH 06/10] audit: " Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 20:04             ` [PATCH 07/10] module: " Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 20:13               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-02-24 20:26                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 22:17                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-24 23:07                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 23:59                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 17:06                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 18:10                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-25 20:05                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-26  2:12                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-24 20:04             ` [PATCH 08/10] pid: " Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 20:04             ` [PATCH 09/10] notifiers: " Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-24 20:04             ` [PATCH 10/10] scheduler: " Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-23 13:28   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/21] v6 add lockdep-based diagnostics to rcu_dereference() Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 10:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-25 10:01   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-25 12:04     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-25 18:18       ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 21:36         ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-25 21:22       ` Ingo Molnar

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