From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754024Ab0CFWjH (ORCPT ); Sat, 6 Mar 2010 17:39:07 -0500 Received: from thunk.org ([69.25.196.29]:51207 "EHLO thunker.thunk.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751632Ab0CFWjE (ORCPT ); Sat, 6 Mar 2010 17:39:04 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 17:38:51 -0500 From: tytso@mit.edu To: Alan Cox Cc: Linus Torvalds , Sergio Monteiro Basto , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.sf.net Subject: Re: [git pull] drm request 3 Message-ID: <20100306223851.GH6000@thunk.org> Mail-Followup-To: tytso@mit.edu, Alan Cox , Linus Torvalds , Sergio Monteiro Basto , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.sf.net References: <1267889034.24025.4.camel@segulix> <1267902406.24025.50.camel@segulix> <20100306204953.GG6000@thunk.org> <20100306205235.2e4dacb4@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20100306205235.2e4dacb4@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@thunk.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on thunker.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 08:52:35PM +0000, Alan Cox wrote: > > They want the benefits of lots of testers, without wanting to be > > courteous to those testers. > > Except for the small rather important detail that the Nouveau developers > didn't ask for it to be merged in the first place. > *Someone* on the Red Hat/Fedora team made the decision to make it available on a very popular distribution to get more testing. And they did it without putting in the necessary versioning so that kernel testers could test upstream kernels. That, in my book, is an anti-social thing to do. Fedora isn't alone, of course; Ubuntu does this as well, and worse yet, with proprietary binary drivers. But just because Ubuntu does something worse, doesn't mean that Fedora should get a free pass for what they did. - Ted