From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753035Ab0CIHaL (ORCPT ); Tue, 9 Mar 2010 02:30:11 -0500 Received: from mx3.mail.elte.hu ([157.181.1.138]:55717 "EHLO mx3.mail.elte.hu" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752728Ab0CIHaG (ORCPT ); Tue, 9 Mar 2010 02:30:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 08:29:38 +0100 From: Ingo Molnar To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Alan Cox , James Morris , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Kyle McMartin , Alexander Viro Subject: Re: Upstream first policy Message-ID: <20100309072938.GA6137@elte.hu> References: <20100308094647.GA14268@elte.hu> <20100308173008.7ae389ab@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <20100308190857.400bde09@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <20100308192744.5f40a5ee@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-08-17) X-ELTE-SpamScore: 0.0 X-ELTE-SpamLevel: X-ELTE-SpamCheck: no X-ELTE-SpamVersion: ELTE 2.0 X-ELTE-SpamCheck-Details: score=0.0 required=5.9 tests=none autolearn=no SpamAssassin version=3.2.5 _SUMMARY_ Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org * Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Alan Cox wrote: > > > > man restorecond > > I know. I also sometimes sit through minutes of "let's relabel the system, > because you've booted a kernel without selinux support". I've had selinux relabeling wait times of an hour or two too, on a sufficiently large filesystem. I think this hurts security far more than anything else, because it causes people to actually _turn off the whole thing_ - so we will have less and less security in the end. ( To use the obligatory fire door analogy: we should prefer a one inch thick fire door that opens and closes fully automated to a five inches thick fire door that people keep always-open with a chair. ) Ingo