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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	Larry Finger <Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net>,
	WANG Cong <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] base firmware: Fix BUG from sysfs attributes change in commit a2db6842873c8e5a70652f278d469128cb52db70
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 07:59:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100314065952.GA24489@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1003132131470.3719@i5.linux-foundation.org>


* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> > 
> > It also only affects those fairly rare lockdep users as well, and the only
> > affect is to throw a nasty warning message.  Isn't lockdep all about throwing
> > nasty warning messages?
> 
> Hmm. The report has that "BUG: " message in it (and in the subject line), 
> but you're right - it ends up being just a warning, not actually a real 
> BUG() (which is a machine killer).
> 
> So yeah - it's not as bad as I thought. Sorry.
> 
> [ And that "BUG:" in turn seems to be due to Ingo for some reason wanting 
>   to confuse BUG_ON() messages (which have that "BUG: " prefix thing) with 
>   whatever warning conditions he adds.
> 
>   Our warnings used to have that bug too (see commit 8f53b6fcc4: "Don't 
>   call a warnign a bug. It's a warning.").
> 
>   Ingo: can we agree to not put "BUG: " messages in warnings, ok? It may 
>   be a bug (lower-case) that triggers them, but that whole "BUG()" thing 
>   has it's own semantics with rather more serious consequences than some 
>   warning that lets things continue.

Sure - will change those too over to the "INFO: " pattern we've been using for 
some time. All new warnings that come via our trees use 'INFO: ', the 'BUG: ' 
ones are there for historic reasons.

There's a few that are external to lockdep and are likely fatal conditions:

	printk(  "[ BUG: bad unlock balance detected! ]\n");
	printk(  "[ BUG: bad contention detected! ]\n");
	printk(  "[ BUG: held lock freed! ]\n");
	printk(  "[ BUG: lock held at task exit time! ]\n");

(these things often tend to cause hangs/crashes later on.)

and then there's a few that are mostly internal to lockdep, and should never 
be fatal:

		printk("BUG: MAX_STACK_TRACE_ENTRIES too low!\n");
		printk("BUG: MAX_LOCKDEP_KEYS too low!\n");
		printk("BUG: MAX_LOCKDEP_ENTRIES too low!\n");
		printk("BUG: MAX_LOCKDEP_CHAINS too low!\n");
		printk("BUG: key %p not in .data!\n", key);
		printk("BUG: MAX_LOCKDEP_SUBCLASSES too low!\n");
		printk("BUG: MAX_LOCK_DEPTH too low!\n");

[ there's rare exceptions - i've seen 'BUG: key' + real crash on a few occasions,
  when the warning was caused by memory corruption. But typically the warning 
  is not fatal, and this is what matters to the severity of the message. ]

So i'm wondering whether we should/could keep those first four with a 'BUG: ' 
message, as lockdep wont crash the machine in the BUG() fashion. The other 7 
should definitely be less alarming messages.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-14  7:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-13 19:36 [PATCH] base firmware: Fix BUG from sysfs attributes change in commit a2db6842873c8e5a70652f278d469128cb52db70 Larry Finger
2010-03-13 22:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-13 22:39   ` Jiri Kosina
2010-03-13 22:57     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-14  3:57       ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-14  5:46         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-14  6:59           ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2010-03-14 17:20             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-14 18:11           ` Greg KH
2010-03-14 18:30             ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-14 18:38               ` Greg KH
2010-03-14 10:49         ` Wolfram Sang
2010-03-14 18:04           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-14 18:07             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-14 19:08             ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-15  0:48               ` Wolfram Sang
2010-03-15  0:20             ` Wolfram Sang
2010-03-15  0:29             ` [PATCH] init dynamic bin_attribute structures Wolfram Sang
2010-03-15 10:00               ` Jiri Kosina
2010-03-15 10:12                 ` [rtc-linux] " Wolfram Sang
2010-03-15 18:47                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-13 22:55   ` [PATCH] base firmware: Fix BUG from sysfs attributes change in commit a2db6842873c8e5a70652f278d469128cb52db70 Larry Finger

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