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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	jesse.brandeburg@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Prevent nested interrupts when the IRQ stack is near overflowing v2
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:27:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100325162737.GA5276@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1003250842240.3721@i5.linux-foundation.org>


* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

[...]
>
> Now, it's also true that our IRQ infrastructure handlers _could_ be smarter, 
> and make the whole problem less likely to happen.
> 
> In particular, it's probably true that especially on modern hardware with 
> multiple cores, and especially when you do _not_ have irq sharing (which is 
> the common case these days for things like network drivers that can use 
> MSI), we really would be better off having the irq disabled over the whole 
> thing, and on some interrupt controllers it might even be worth it to do the 
> old optimization of not masking-and-acking, but just acking.

Yes.

> But see above. This is _not_ something that a driver can do any more. They 
> don't know whether the interrupt might end up being shared. Just blindly 
> setting IRAF_DISABLED in a driver is _not_ the answer. But being smarter in 
> the generic irq handler code might work.
> 
> And then, what we could do, is to mark the drivers that absolutely _must_ be 
> able to nest specially. Like the IDE driver when in PIO mode. Or maybe the 
> SCSI drivers, if they still depend on that timer interrupt happening while 
> they are busy.

I think the patch as posted solves a real problem, but also perpetuates a bad 
situation.

At minimum we should print a (one-time) warning that some badness occured. 
That would push us either in the direction of improving drivers, or towards 
improving the generic code.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-03-25 16:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-24 19:02 [PATCH] Prevent nested interrupts when the IRQ stack is near overflowing v2 Andi Kleen
2010-03-24 20:42 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-03-24 23:08   ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-03-25  0:36     ` Andi Kleen
2010-03-25  1:46       ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-03-25  9:37         ` Andi Kleen
2010-03-25 11:09           ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-03-25 12:11             ` Andi Kleen
2010-03-25 13:17               ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-03-25 13:32                 ` Andi Kleen
2010-03-25 14:16                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-03-25 15:38                     ` Andi Kleen
2010-03-25 16:06                     ` Alan Cox
2010-03-25 16:13             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-25 16:17               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-25 16:27               ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2010-03-25 16:33                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-25 18:27                 ` Andi Kleen
2010-03-26  4:55                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-25 16:52               ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-03-25 17:47               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-25 18:01                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-25 18:21                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-25 18:23                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-25 18:44                       ` Andi Kleen
2010-03-25 19:01                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-25 18:29                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-25 19:10                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-25 19:42                       ` David Miller
2010-03-25 20:40                         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-26  3:33                           ` David Miller
2010-03-25 20:51                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-25 20:53                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-26  6:10                   ` Andi Kleen
2010-03-25 10:50         ` Alan Cox
2010-03-25 11:16           ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-03-25 11:59             ` Alan Cox
2010-03-25 12:00             ` Andi Kleen
2010-03-25 11:57           ` Andi Kleen

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