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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>,
	Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	John Kacur <jkacur@redhat.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6] procfs: Kill the bkl in ioctl
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:03:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100413180332.GB21302@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201004121934.18307.arnd@arndb.de>

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 07:34:17PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> >  - make sure every file operation either has a ->llseek instead or
> >    calls nonseekable_open from ->open
> 
> I still think it would be better to always set llseek if we do that,
> even if nonseekable_open is already there. I can come up with scripts
> that check that case, but checking that the open function always
> calls nonseekable_open when it returns success is beyond my grep
> skills ;-)

Yes, it's not quite easily greppable.  Making no seek allowed the
implicit default will fortunately allow us to get rid of that oddness.

> >  - walk through the instances now using default_llseek and chose
> >    a better implementation for this particular instance.  Often
> >    this will be just removing the the lssek method as not allowing
> >    seeks is the right thing to do for character drivers, even if it
> >    is a behaviour change from the current version which usually
> >    is the result of sloppy coding.
> 
> This part is really hard. While in many cases, the driver maintainer
> might know what user space is potentially opening some character
> device, it's really hard to tell for outsiders whether the behaviour
> should be no_llseek (then the default) or noop_llseek to work around
> broken user space.

That's why it's last on the list.

> I think the rule set for the conversion needs to be one that can
> be done purely based on the code. How about this:
> 
> For each file operation {
> 	if (uses f_pos) {
> 		if (same module uses BKL)
> 			-> default_llseek
> 		else
> 			-> generic_file_llseek
> 	} else {
> 		if (driver maintained)
> 			-> no_llseek (with maintainer ACK)
> 		else
> 			-> noop_llseek
> 	}
> }
> 
> Once that is done, we can turn the default into nonseekable
> behavior and start removing instances of explicit no_llseek
> and nonseekable_open.

That plan sounds good to me.

> Should we also rename default_llseek to deprecated_llseek in the
> process, to go along with the approach for ioctl?

I wouldn't bother.  If you can actually work on your plan default_llseek
should be gone soon enough.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-04-13 18:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-30  6:20 [PATCH 0/6] Kill the bkl in procfs Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30  6:20 ` [PATCH 1/6] procfs: Kill BKL in llseek on proc base Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30  6:40   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-03-30  6:50     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30  6:20 ` [PATCH 2/6] procfs: Use generic_file_llseek in /proc/kcore Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 10:28   ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-30  6:20 ` [PATCH 3/6] procfs: Use generic_file_llseek in /proc/kmsg Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 10:38   ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-30  6:20 ` [PATCH 4/6] procfs: Use generic_file_llseek in /proc/vmcore Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 10:38   ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-30  6:20 ` [PATCH 5/6] procfs: Push down the bkl from ioctl Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30  6:31   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-03-30  7:02     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-09 14:45     ` [PATCH v2] " Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-10 13:25       ` [PATCH v3] " Frederic Weisbecker
2010-05-17  1:23         ` [PATCH v4] " Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 10:37   ` [PATCH 5/6] " Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-30 18:27     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 18:54       ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-30 19:21         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30  6:20 ` [PATCH 6/6] procfs: Kill the bkl in ioctl Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30  6:38   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-03-30  7:07     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 10:33       ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-31 17:22         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-31 20:21           ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-31 21:04             ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-31 21:55               ` Alan Cox
2010-04-01  9:07                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-31 21:56               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-01 11:37                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-01 10:22               ` John Kacur
2010-03-31 21:41             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-01 12:42               ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-03 17:53                 ` Stefan Richter
2010-04-10 16:09                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-12 15:05                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-10 16:14                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-10 16:24                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-01 11:39           ` Stefan Richter
2010-04-01 12:45             ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-10 15:28               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-11 13:03                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-04-12 17:34                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-12 21:53                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-13  9:26                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-13 20:10                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-13 18:03                     ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2010-04-10 13:27 ` [PATCH 0/6] Kill the bkl in procfs Frederic Weisbecker

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