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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
To: Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@sophos.com>
Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"mingo@elte.hu" <mingo@elte.hu>,
	"peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"tglx@linutronix.de" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"davej@redhat.com" <davej@redhat.com>,
	"cpufreq@vger.kernel.org" <cpufreq@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/7] ondemand: Solve the big performance issue with ondemand during disk IO
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:47:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100419174702.635ddad1@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201004191629.39339.tvrtko.ursulin@sophos.com>

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:29:39 +0100
Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@sophos.com> wrote:

> On Monday 19 Apr 2010 14:46:17 Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:09:55 +0100
> > > Or in other words, does a pure IO workload benefit from now higher
> > > selected frequency?
> >
> > no.
> > Mixed workloads do.
> > but pure IO workloads also don't suffer since while idle, the
> > voltage goes down anyway.
> 
> You mean that higher frequency does not have effect on power use if
> CPU is idle? Is that true for all/most processors?

this is true for most processors that I'm aware of.
there's exceptions for things like where the idle time is really short,
where going up and down in voltage will take more energy than it'll
save and such.

> 
> > > One idea I had but a) never had time to implement it and b) was
> > > not sure it would be accepted anyway, was to modify ondemand
> > > governor to ramp up instantly, but slow down slowly (in a
> > > configurable way).
> >
> > that's what ondemand does already.
> 
> How and where in the code and how to enable that behaviour? From my
> experiments frequency goes down to minimum as soon as load goes away.
> What I was talking about is gradual lowering over a configurable
> period. It is not power efficient, but it could be good for latency
> in some workloads.

it's not even good for that ;-(

it's better then to stay high longer... at least on modern machines the
inbetween states are pretty much either useless or actually energy
hurting compared to the higher state.


> 
> Tvrtko
> 
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  reply	other threads:[~2010-04-20  0:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-18 18:59 [PATCH 0/7] Fix performance issue with ondemand governor Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-18 19:00 ` [PATCH 1/7] sched: add a comment to get_cpu_idle_time_us() Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-26 19:25   ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-18 19:01 ` [PATCH 2/7] sched: introduce a function to update the idle statistics Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-26 20:11   ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-18 19:01 ` [PATCH 3/7] sched: update the idle statistics in get_cpu_idle_time_us() Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-26 20:36   ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-18 19:02 ` [PATCH 4/7] sched: fold updating of the last update time into update_ts_time_stats() Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-26 20:58   ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-18 19:02 ` [PATCH 5/7] sched: eliminate the ts->idle_lastupdate field Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-26 21:00   ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-18 19:03 ` [PATCH 6/7] sched: introduce get_cpu_iowait_time_us() Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-26 21:05   ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-18 19:03 ` [PATCH 7/7] ondemand: Solve the big performance issue with ondemand during disk IO Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-19  8:29   ` Éric Piel
2010-04-19 13:43     ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-19 14:30       ` Éric Piel
2010-04-19 14:47         ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-20  9:24       ` Thomas Renninger
2010-04-27  0:29         ` Mike Chan
2010-04-27 13:01           ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-27 18:10             ` Mike Chan
2010-04-19  9:09   ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2010-04-19 13:46     ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-19 15:29       ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2010-04-20  0:47         ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2010-04-20  9:10           ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2010-04-20 11:02             ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-28  8:57               ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2010-04-23  5:26           ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-20  9:29   ` Thomas Renninger
2010-04-20 11:07     ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-23  5:24   ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-23  5:38     ` Willy Tarreau
2010-04-23  8:50       ` Thomas Renninger
2010-04-23 16:08         ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-27 11:39           ` Thomas Renninger
2010-05-04  3:48             ` [PATCH 8/7] cpufreq: make the iowait-is-busy-time a sysfs tunable Arjan van de Ven
2010-05-04  4:16               ` Willy Tarreau
2010-05-04  5:43               ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-04 13:51               ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-23 14:10       ` [PATCH 7/7] ondemand: Solve the big performance issue with ondemand during disk IO Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-23 15:35         ` Willy Tarreau
2010-04-23 13:52     ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-23  8:38       ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-23 16:06         ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-24  4:56       ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-01 23:29         ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-26 21:30   ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-26 21:41 ` [PATCH 0/7] Fix performance issue with ondemand governor Dave Jones
2010-04-26 21:45   ` Dominik Brodowski
2010-04-26 21:59     ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-26 22:05       ` Dominik Brodowski

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