From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Jan Blunck <jblunck@suse.de>,
John Kacur <jkacur@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL v2] Preparation for BKL'ed ioctl removal
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:25:30 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100427092530.GD11348@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201004261329.28427.arnd@arndb.de>
* Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
> On Monday 26 April 2010, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > This could be done all automated for a hundred old drivers if need to be.
> > There would be no bkl_ioctl's left.
>
> I don't think it can be fully automated. [...]
Corner cases are not a problem as long as the risk of them going unnoticed is
lower than the risk of a manual conversion introducing bugs.
> [...] For the majority of the modules, your approach would work fine, but
> there are still the well-known pitfalls in corner cases:
>
> - recursive uses in functions outside of ioctl (possibly none left
> after the TTY layer is done, but who knows)
Not a problem even if there's any such usage left: lockdep will sort those out
very quickly.
> - lock-order problems with other mutexes (see DRM)
This too will be mapped out very quickly via lockdep.
> - code that depends on autorelease to allow one ioctl while another
> is sleeping. (a small number of drivers)
This is a real issue, and in fact it's an unknown: there may be an unknown
number of random sleep points within BKL codepaths that is being relied on in
creative ways.
Note that by introducing a mutex we (in most cases) make the locking
_stricter_, so the biggest risk from that is a lockup - which will be
debuggable via lockdep.
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-04-27 9:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-04-16 3:56 [GIT PULL] Preparation for BKL'ed ioctl removal Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-22 0:48 ` [GIT PULL v2] " Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-24 15:25 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-24 18:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-04-24 18:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-04-24 19:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-24 20:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-04-24 20:40 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-24 22:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-04-25 17:39 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-25 17:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-04-25 18:05 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-26 8:30 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-26 18:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-04-26 19:12 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-26 20:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-04-26 22:23 ` [PATCH 0/6] Push down BKL into device drivers Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-27 9:14 ` John Kacur
2010-04-26 22:24 ` [PATCH 1/6] dvb: push down BKL into ioctl functions Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-26 22:24 ` [PATCH 2/6] scsi: " Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-26 22:24 ` [PATCH 3/6] isdn: " Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-26 22:24 ` [PATCH 4/6] staging: " Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-27 18:15 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-27 18:33 ` Greg KH
2010-04-26 22:24 ` [PATCH 5/6] v4l: always use unlocked_ioctl Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-26 22:24 ` [PATCH 6/6] drivers: push down BKL into various drivers Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-26 20:42 ` [GIT PULL v2] Preparation for BKL'ed ioctl removal David Miller
2010-04-26 22:09 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-26 22:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-04-26 23:04 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-26 7:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-04-26 11:29 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-27 9:25 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2010-04-28 13:21 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-28 13:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-04-28 14:05 ` Arnd Bergmann
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