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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Jan Blunck <jblunck@suse.de>,
	John Kacur <jkacur@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL v2] Preparation for BKL'ed ioctl removal
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:25:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100427092530.GD11348@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201004261329.28427.arnd@arndb.de>


* Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:

> On Monday 26 April 2010, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > This could be done all automated for a hundred old drivers if need to be. 
> > There would be no bkl_ioctl's left.
> 
> I don't think it can be fully automated. [...]

Corner cases are not a problem as long as the risk of them going unnoticed is 
lower than the risk of a manual conversion introducing bugs.

> [...] For the majority of the modules, your approach would work fine, but 
> there are still the well-known pitfalls in corner cases:
> 
> - recursive uses in functions outside of ioctl (possibly none left
>   after the TTY layer is done, but who knows)

Not a problem even if there's any such usage left: lockdep will sort those out 
very quickly.

> - lock-order problems with other mutexes (see DRM)

This too will be mapped out very quickly via lockdep.

> - code that depends on autorelease to allow one ioctl while another
>   is sleeping. (a small number of drivers)

This is a real issue, and in fact it's an unknown: there may be an unknown 
number of random sleep points within BKL codepaths that is being relied on in 
creative ways.

Note that by introducing a mutex we (in most cases) make the locking 
_stricter_, so the biggest risk from that is a lockup - which will be 
debuggable via lockdep.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2010-04-27  9:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-16  3:56 [GIT PULL] Preparation for BKL'ed ioctl removal Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-22  0:48 ` [GIT PULL v2] " Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-24 15:25   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-24 18:36     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-04-24 18:47       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-04-24 19:54         ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-24 20:01           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-04-24 20:40             ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-24 22:15               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-04-25 17:39                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-25 17:49                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-04-25 18:05                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-26  8:30                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-26 18:08                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-04-26 19:12                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-26 20:36                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-04-26 22:23                           ` [PATCH 0/6] Push down BKL into device drivers Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-27  9:14                             ` John Kacur
2010-04-26 22:24                           ` [PATCH 1/6] dvb: push down BKL into ioctl functions Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-26 22:24                           ` [PATCH 2/6] scsi: " Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-26 22:24                           ` [PATCH 3/6] isdn: " Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-26 22:24                           ` [PATCH 4/6] staging: " Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-27 18:15                             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-27 18:33                               ` Greg KH
2010-04-26 22:24                           ` [PATCH 5/6] v4l: always use unlocked_ioctl Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-26 22:24                           ` [PATCH 6/6] drivers: push down BKL into various drivers Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-26 20:42                         ` [GIT PULL v2] Preparation for BKL'ed ioctl removal David Miller
2010-04-26 22:09                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-26 22:32                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-04-26 23:04                               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-26  7:25                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-04-26 11:29                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-27  9:25                       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2010-04-28 13:21                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-28 13:37                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-04-28 14:05                         ` Arnd Bergmann

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