From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754233Ab0EFSdu (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 May 2010 14:33:50 -0400 Received: from mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org ([204.13.248.71]:50110 "EHLO mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752852Ab0EFSds (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 May 2010 14:33:48 -0400 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 69.181.193.102 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/mailhop/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX18jR9Ez7JwC34gG8c4LB5MP Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:33:35 -0700 From: Tony Lindgren To: Matthew Garrett Cc: Brian Swetland , Alan Stern , mark gross , markgross@thegnar.org, Len Brown , linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, Kernel development list , Jesse Barnes , Oleg Nesterov , Tejun Heo , Linux-pm mailing list , Wu Fengguang , Andrew Morton Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api. Message-ID: <20100506183335.GE30928@atomide.com> References: <20100505234755.GI29604@atomide.com> <20100506134015.GA23426@srcf.ucam.org> <20100506170151.GA30928@atomide.com> <20100506170956.GA28104@srcf.ucam.org> <20100506171453.GC30928@atomide.com> <20100506172201.GA28578@srcf.ucam.org> <20100506173807.GD30928@atomide.com> <20100506174331.GA29103@srcf.ucam.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20100506174331.GA29103@srcf.ucam.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org * Matthew Garrett [100506 10:39]: > On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 10:38:08AM -0700, Tony Lindgren wrote: > > > If your userspace keeps polling and has runaway timers, then you > > could suspend it's parent process to idle the system? > > If your userspace is suspended, how does it process the events that > generated a system wakeup? If we had a good answer to that then suspend > blockers would be much less necessary. Well if your hardware runs off-while-idle or even just retention-while-idle, then the basic shell works just fine waking up every few seconds or so. Then you could keep init/shell/suspend policy deamon running until it's time to suspend the whole device. To cut down runaway timers, you could already freeze the desktop/GUI/whatever earlier. Regards, Tony