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From: Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg@redhat.com>
Cc: Brian Swetland <swetland@google.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	mark gross <mgross@linux.intel.com>,
	markgross@thegnar.org, Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Linux-pm mailing list <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api.
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 19:05:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100507020541.GH30928@atomide.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100506184418.GA30669@srcf.ucam.org>

* Matthew Garrett <mjg@redhat.com> [100506 11:39]:
> On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 11:33:35AM -0700, Tony Lindgren wrote:
> > * Matthew Garrett <mjg@redhat.com> [100506 10:39]:
> > > On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 10:38:08AM -0700, Tony Lindgren wrote:
> > > 
> > > > If your userspace keeps polling and has runaway timers, then you
> > > > could suspend it's parent process to idle the system?
> > > 
> > > If your userspace is suspended, how does it process the events that 
> > > generated a system wakeup? If we had a good answer to that then suspend 
> > > blockers would be much less necessary.
> > 
> > Well if your hardware runs off-while-idle or even just
> > retention-while-idle, then the basic shell works just fine waking up
> > every few seconds or so.
> 
> And the untrusted userspace code that's waiting for a network packet? 
> Adding a few seconds of latency isn't an option here.

Hmm well hitting retention and wake you can basically do between
jiffies. Hitting off mode in idle has way longer latencies,
but still in few hundred milliseconds or so, not seconds.

And cpuidle pretty much takes care of hitting the desired C state
for you. This setup is totally working on Nokia N900 for example,
it's hitting off modes in idle and running all the time, it never
suspends.

Regards,

Tony

  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-07  2:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 332+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-30 22:36 [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6) Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36   ` [PATCH 2/8] PM: suspend_block: Add driver to access suspend blockers from user-space Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36     ` [PATCH 3/8] PM: suspend_block: Abort task freezing if a suspend_blocker is active Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36       ` [PATCH 4/8] PM: suspend_block: Add debugfs file Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36         ` [PATCH 5/8] PM: suspend_block: Add suspend_blocker stats Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36           ` [PATCH 6/8] PM: Add suspend blocking work Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:37             ` [PATCH 7/8] Input: Block suspend while event queue is not empty Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:37               ` [PATCH 8/8] power_supply: Block suspend while power supply change notifications are pending Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-01  6:14             ` [PATCH 6/8] PM: Add suspend blocking work Tejun Heo
2010-05-02  7:05             ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-04 11:16         ` [PATCH 4/8] PM: suspend_block: Add debugfs file Andi Kleen
2010-05-04 21:06           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-02  6:57       ` [PATCH 3/8] PM: suspend_block: Abort task freezing if a suspend_blocker is active Pavel Machek
2010-05-02  7:04     ` [PATCH 2/8] PM: suspend_block: Add driver to access suspend blockers from user-space Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 21:23     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-02 21:56       ` Alan Stern
2010-05-03 15:03         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 21:26           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-03 21:49             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 22:01               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-04 20:02                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-04  4:16           ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-02  6:56   ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 20:10     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-02 20:52       ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 21:29         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 19:01           ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-03 21:38             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 22:11               ` Alan Stern
2010-05-03 22:24                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-02  7:01   ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-04  5:12   ` [linux-pm] " mark gross
2010-05-04 13:59     ` Alan Stern
2010-05-04 16:03       ` mark gross
2010-05-04 17:16         ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05  1:50           ` mark gross
2010-05-05 13:31             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 20:09               ` mark gross
2010-05-05 20:21                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 15:44             ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 20:28               ` mark gross
2010-05-05 21:12                 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 21:37                   ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-05 23:47                     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-05 23:56                       ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-06  0:05                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06  4:16                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-06 17:04                             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07  0:10                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 15:54                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-28  6:43                                 ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-28  7:01                                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-06 13:40                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06 17:01                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06 17:09                           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06 17:14                             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06 17:22                               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06 17:38                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06 17:43                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06 18:33                                     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06 18:44                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07  2:05                                         ` Tony Lindgren [this message]
2010-05-07 17:12                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 17:35                                             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 17:50                                               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 18:01                                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 18:28                                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 18:43                                                     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 18:46                                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 19:06                                                         ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 19:28                                                           ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 19:33                                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 19:55                                                               ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 20:28                                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 20:53                                                                   ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 21:03                                                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 21:25                                                                       ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 21:32                                                                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 21:39                                                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 21:42                                                                           ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 21:48                                                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 22:00                                                                               ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 22:28                                                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 21:30                                                                       ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 21:35                                                                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 21:43                                                                           ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 21:38                                                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06 18:47                                       ` Alan Stern
2010-05-07  2:20                                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-28 13:29                                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-28 13:42                                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-06 17:35                               ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-06 18:36                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06 19:11                                   ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07  2:00                                     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 17:20                                       ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 17:36                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 17:40                                           ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 17:51                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 18:00                                               ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 18:17                                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 17:50                                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07  3:45                               ` mgross
2010-05-07  3:45                             ` mgross
2010-05-07  4:10                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-04 20:40     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-03 16:40 ` [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6) Kevin Hilman
2010-05-03 17:12   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-03 18:17     ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-03 18:07   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-03 21:18     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 23:37       ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04  0:09         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-04  0:43           ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-04 13:59             ` Mark Brown
2010-05-04 18:06               ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04 19:06                 ` Mark Brown
2010-05-04 20:37                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-04 23:14                     ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04 23:42                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-04 20:23                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-04 20:44                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-04 23:56                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05  0:22                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05  1:11                       ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-05 11:06                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 12:00                         ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-05 13:56                           ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 17:33                             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 18:36                               ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 18:52                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 19:13                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 19:22                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 19:52                                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 19:55                                         ` tytso
2010-05-05 20:26                                           ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 20:44                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 21:57                                               ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 22:03                                                 ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-05 22:05                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 23:09                                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 23:33                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-06  0:21                                                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-06  0:51                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 20:02                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 20:09                                           ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 19:39                                     ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 20:56                                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-05 23:40                                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-06  4:25                                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 10:04                                           ` Mark Brown
2010-05-07 10:57                                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 11:21                                               ` Mark Brown
2010-05-07 11:29                                                 ` Theodore Tso
2010-05-07 12:25                                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-07 12:37                                                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-07 13:30                                                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-11 18:47                                                         ` Mark Brown
2010-05-07 11:41                                                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 14:00                                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 19:07                                 ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 19:20                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 19:28                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 20:04                                       ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 20:15                                         ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 20:28                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 23:03                                         ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-05 23:16                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 23:42                                           ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-06 14:08                                             ` Alan Stern
2010-05-06 19:26                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 18:39                               ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 15:35                     ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 16:27                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-04 18:04           ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04  0:43         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-04 13:51           ` Alan Stern
2010-05-04 14:53             ` Mark Brown
2010-05-04 15:13             ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04 15:27             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06  1:40               ` Magnus Damm
2010-05-04 15:13           ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04 15:28             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-03 21:50   ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]     ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1005141408260.3348@utopia.booyaka.com>
     [not found]       ` <20100514203202.GA12409@srcf.ucam.org>
     [not found]         ` <87aas2azc5.fsf@deeprootsystems.com>
     [not found]           ` <20100514231510.GG16989@thunk.org>
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     [not found]               ` <AANLkTilL90pYVlquvMDAEPHj_AraEi9Qzk-0tTjw9Bkx@mail.gmail.com>
2010-05-17 20:07                 ` [linux-pm] " Mike Chan
2010-05-17 20:17                   ` Vitaly Wool
2010-05-17 21:04                     ` Mike Chan
2010-05-17 22:55                   ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 23:04                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-24 18:57     ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-24 19:08       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-25  1:16       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-26 17:32         ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-05 20:35   ` mark gross
2010-05-10 18:06   ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-10 20:25     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-11 16:12       ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-11 16:14         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-11 16:36           ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-11 16:45             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-11 16:58               ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-11 17:03                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-11 17:24                   ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-11 17:30                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-11 17:48                       ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-11 18:01                         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-11 18:19                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-12  1:11     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-12 11:22       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13  3:35 ` [linux-pm] " Paul Walmsley
2010-05-13 12:17   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 17:33     ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 18:17       ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-13 18:25         ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 18:36           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 18:59             ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 19:11               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 19:36                 ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 19:48                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:11                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:16                       ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 21:27                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:33                           ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 21:36                             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:54                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:46                             ` Greg KH
2010-05-13 22:27                               ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:45                                 ` Greg KH
2010-05-14  0:03                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:46                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 23:36                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 23:48                                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-14  0:29                                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:33                               ` Woodruff, Richard
2010-05-13 22:46                                 ` Greg KH
2010-05-13 23:06                                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-13 23:28                                   ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-14 16:47                               ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 14:16   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 19:17     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 19:25       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 19:42         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 19:53           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 20:00             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 20:08               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 20:23                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 20:34                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:10                     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:21                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:34                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-15 19:54                           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:21                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:25                       ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:56                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14 20:41                           ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-14 21:25                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14 21:40                             ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-14 21:50                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14 22:45                                 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-14 22:59                                   ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-15  2:58                                     ` Alan Stern
2010-05-15  3:40                                       ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-15 21:19                                         ` Alan Stern
2010-05-17 15:40                                           ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 17:04                                             ` James Bottomley
2010-05-17 17:47                                               ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 17:58                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-17 18:16                                                   ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 17:59                                                 ` James Bottomley
2010-05-17 18:12                                                   ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 18:26                                                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-17 18:39                                                       ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 18:45                                                         ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-17 20:22                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17 18:45                                                         ` Mark Brown
2010-05-17 18:47                                                         ` Mike Chan
2010-05-17 19:24                                                     ` James Bottomley
2010-05-17 19:38                                                       ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 19:39                                                         ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 19:49                                                           ` James Bottomley
2010-05-18  6:40                                                             ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-18 13:59                                                               ` James Bottomley
2010-05-19  6:59                                                                 ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-19 20:42                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-20  4:49                                                                     ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 11:27                                                                       ` Vladimir Pantelic
2010-05-20 11:29                                                                         ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 17:40                                                                         ` David Brownell
2010-05-20 18:50                                                                           ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 23:08                                                                             ` David Brownell
2010-05-20  5:15                                                                   ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-20  8:57                                                                     ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20  8:57                                                                       ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 10:05                                                                       ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-20 10:15                                                                         ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 18:54                                                   ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 17:57                                               ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-15 20:14                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-16 19:44                                     ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:24                         ` tytso
2010-05-13 20:36                   ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-14 16:06                 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-24 21:25                 ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-13 21:41           ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 21:54             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 22:07               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 22:26           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-13 21:14       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:31         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:57           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:37       ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 21:47         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 22:01           ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 22:08             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 22:28               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-15  2:35                 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-15  4:04                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-13 22:04           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14  3:25           ` Magnus Damm
2010-05-14 16:18             ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-15  2:47             ` Alan Stern
2010-05-24 21:24     ` Pavel Machek
     [not found] <eGToe-3b9-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <eGUaB-4mU-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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2010-05-07  2:41           ` [linux-pm] [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api James Kosin
2010-05-07  2:53             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07  3:01               ` James Kosin
2010-05-07  3:10                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07  3:19                   ` James Kosin
2010-05-07 16:25                     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-24 18:57                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-24 18:57                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-07 16:10             ` Tony Lindgren

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