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From: Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>
To: Arve Hj?nnev?g <arve@android.com>
Cc: Kevin Hilman <khilman@deeprootsystems.com>,
	linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Paul Walmsley <paul@pwsan.com>,
	magnus.damm@gmail.com, mark gross <mgross@linux.intel.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Geoff Smith <geoffx.smith@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 12:22:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100512112227.GA4312@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikJV-wQX9xh8mRVptebJBctcRrQaUls-IGDhQar@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 06:11:09PM -0700, Arve Hj?nnev?g wrote:

> > 2.2 Usage in PM aware drivers
> > ==============================

> > [An example of how a driver already using runtime PM would use
> > ?a suspend blocker would also be helpful.

> An audio driver can block suspend while audio is playing. We don't
> currently use the runtime pm framework since this is new, but we do
> runtime pm by turning off clocks and power when the device is
> inactive.

Could you clarify what's going on here please?  What do you mean by an
"audio driver" here - there's several different classes of driver which
work together to produce the embedded audio subsystem and I'm not clear
which you're referring to here.  I'd not expect a chip-specific audio
driver to be taking suspend blockers at all except during things like
accessory detect handling which can take a long time.  A system-specific
driver could reasonably block during playback but doing it in a chip
specific driver sounds like a bit too much of a policy decision.

The kernel runtime PM framwwork tends not to come into play for anything
except MFD and SoC drivers with audio where they're a component of PM on
the larger chip and it's useful for coordinating with the other drivers
in play.  Otherwise we already have very detailed automatic power
management (especially for the CODECs) and there's no benefit in
bouncing through runtime PM.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-12 11:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 324+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-30 22:36 [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6) Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36   ` [PATCH 2/8] PM: suspend_block: Add driver to access suspend blockers from user-space Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36     ` [PATCH 3/8] PM: suspend_block: Abort task freezing if a suspend_blocker is active Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36       ` [PATCH 4/8] PM: suspend_block: Add debugfs file Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36         ` [PATCH 5/8] PM: suspend_block: Add suspend_blocker stats Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36           ` [PATCH 6/8] PM: Add suspend blocking work Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:37             ` [PATCH 7/8] Input: Block suspend while event queue is not empty Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:37               ` [PATCH 8/8] power_supply: Block suspend while power supply change notifications are pending Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-01  6:14             ` [PATCH 6/8] PM: Add suspend blocking work Tejun Heo
2010-05-02  7:05             ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-04 11:16         ` [PATCH 4/8] PM: suspend_block: Add debugfs file Andi Kleen
2010-05-04 21:06           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-02  6:57       ` [PATCH 3/8] PM: suspend_block: Abort task freezing if a suspend_blocker is active Pavel Machek
2010-05-02  7:04     ` [PATCH 2/8] PM: suspend_block: Add driver to access suspend blockers from user-space Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 21:23     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-02 21:56       ` Alan Stern
2010-05-03 15:03         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 21:26           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-03 21:49             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 22:01               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-04 20:02                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-04  4:16           ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-02  6:56   ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 20:10     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-02 20:52       ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 21:29         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 19:01           ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-03 21:38             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 22:11               ` Alan Stern
2010-05-03 22:24                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-02  7:01   ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-04  5:12   ` [linux-pm] " mark gross
2010-05-04 13:59     ` Alan Stern
2010-05-04 16:03       ` mark gross
2010-05-04 17:16         ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05  1:50           ` mark gross
2010-05-05 13:31             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 20:09               ` mark gross
2010-05-05 20:21                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 15:44             ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 20:28               ` mark gross
2010-05-05 21:12                 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 21:37                   ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-05 23:47                     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-05 23:56                       ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-06  0:05                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06  4:16                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-06 17:04                             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07  0:10                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 15:54                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-28  6:43                                 ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-28  7:01                                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-06 13:40                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06 17:01                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06 17:09                           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06 17:14                             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06 17:22                               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06 17:38                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06 17:43                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06 18:33                                     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06 18:44                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07  2:05                                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 17:12                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 17:35                                             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 17:50                                               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 18:01                                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 18:28                                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 18:43                                                     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 18:46                                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 19:06                                                         ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 19:28                                                           ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 19:33                                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 19:55                                                               ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 20:28                                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 20:53                                                                   ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 21:03                                                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 21:25                                                                       ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 21:32                                                                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 21:39                                                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 21:42                                                                           ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 21:48                                                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 22:00                                                                               ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 22:28                                                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 21:30                                                                       ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 21:35                                                                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 21:43                                                                           ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 21:38                                                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06 18:47                                       ` Alan Stern
2010-05-07  2:20                                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-28 13:29                                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-28 13:42                                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-06 17:35                               ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-06 18:36                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06 19:11                                   ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07  2:00                                     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 17:20                                       ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 17:36                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 17:40                                           ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 17:51                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 18:00                                               ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 18:17                                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 17:50                                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07  3:45                               ` mgross
2010-05-07  3:45                             ` mgross
2010-05-07  4:10                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-04 20:40     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-03 16:40 ` [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6) Kevin Hilman
2010-05-03 17:12   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-03 18:17     ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-03 18:07   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-03 21:18     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 23:37       ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04  0:09         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-04  0:43           ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-04 13:59             ` Mark Brown
2010-05-04 18:06               ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04 19:06                 ` Mark Brown
2010-05-04 20:37                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-04 23:14                     ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04 23:42                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-04 20:23                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-04 20:44                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-04 23:56                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05  0:22                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05  1:11                       ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-05 11:06                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 12:00                         ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-05 13:56                           ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 17:33                             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 18:36                               ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 18:52                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 19:13                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 19:22                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 19:52                                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 19:55                                         ` tytso
2010-05-05 20:26                                           ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 20:44                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 21:57                                               ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 22:03                                                 ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-05 22:05                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 23:09                                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 23:33                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-06  0:21                                                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-06  0:51                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 20:02                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 20:09                                           ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 19:39                                     ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 20:56                                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-05 23:40                                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-06  4:25                                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 10:04                                           ` Mark Brown
2010-05-07 10:57                                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 11:21                                               ` Mark Brown
2010-05-07 11:29                                                 ` Theodore Tso
2010-05-07 12:25                                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-07 12:37                                                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-07 13:30                                                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-11 18:47                                                         ` Mark Brown
2010-05-07 11:41                                                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 14:00                                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 19:07                                 ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 19:20                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 19:28                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 20:04                                       ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 20:15                                         ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 20:28                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 23:03                                         ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-05 23:16                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 23:42                                           ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-06 14:08                                             ` Alan Stern
2010-05-06 19:26                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 18:39                               ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 15:35                     ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 16:27                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-04 18:04           ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04  0:43         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-04 13:51           ` Alan Stern
2010-05-04 14:53             ` Mark Brown
2010-05-04 15:13             ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04 15:27             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06  1:40               ` Magnus Damm
2010-05-04 15:13           ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04 15:28             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-03 21:50   ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]     ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1005141408260.3348@utopia.booyaka.com>
     [not found]       ` <20100514203202.GA12409@srcf.ucam.org>
     [not found]         ` <87aas2azc5.fsf@deeprootsystems.com>
     [not found]           ` <20100514231510.GG16989@thunk.org>
     [not found]             ` <87r5laa4oc.fsf@deeprootsystems.com>
     [not found]               ` <AANLkTilL90pYVlquvMDAEPHj_AraEi9Qzk-0tTjw9Bkx@mail.gmail.com>
2010-05-17 20:07                 ` [linux-pm] " Mike Chan
2010-05-17 20:17                   ` Vitaly Wool
2010-05-17 21:04                     ` Mike Chan
2010-05-17 22:55                   ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 23:04                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-24 18:57     ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-24 19:08       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-25  1:16       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-26 17:32         ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-05 20:35   ` mark gross
2010-05-10 18:06   ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-10 20:25     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-11 16:12       ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-11 16:14         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-11 16:36           ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-11 16:45             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-11 16:58               ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-11 17:03                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-11 17:24                   ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-11 17:30                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-11 17:48                       ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-11 18:01                         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-11 18:19                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-12  1:11     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-12 11:22       ` Mark Brown [this message]
2010-05-13  3:35 ` [linux-pm] " Paul Walmsley
2010-05-13 12:17   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 17:33     ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 18:17       ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-13 18:25         ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 18:36           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 18:59             ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 19:11               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 19:36                 ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 19:48                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:11                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:16                       ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 21:27                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:33                           ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 21:36                             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:54                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:46                             ` Greg KH
2010-05-13 22:27                               ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:45                                 ` Greg KH
2010-05-14  0:03                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:46                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 23:36                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 23:48                                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-14  0:29                                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:33                               ` Woodruff, Richard
2010-05-13 22:46                                 ` Greg KH
2010-05-13 23:06                                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-13 23:28                                   ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-14 16:47                               ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 14:16   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 19:17     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 19:25       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 19:42         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 19:53           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 20:00             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 20:08               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 20:23                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 20:34                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:10                     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:21                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:34                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-15 19:54                           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:21                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:25                       ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:56                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14 20:41                           ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-14 21:25                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14 21:40                             ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-14 21:50                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14 22:45                                 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-14 22:59                                   ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-15  2:58                                     ` Alan Stern
2010-05-15  3:40                                       ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-15 21:19                                         ` Alan Stern
2010-05-17 15:40                                           ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 17:04                                             ` James Bottomley
2010-05-17 17:47                                               ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 17:58                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-17 18:16                                                   ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 17:59                                                 ` James Bottomley
2010-05-17 18:12                                                   ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 18:26                                                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-17 18:39                                                       ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 18:45                                                         ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-17 20:22                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17 18:45                                                         ` Mark Brown
2010-05-17 18:47                                                         ` Mike Chan
2010-05-17 19:24                                                     ` James Bottomley
2010-05-17 19:38                                                       ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 19:39                                                         ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 19:49                                                           ` James Bottomley
2010-05-18  6:40                                                             ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-18 13:59                                                               ` James Bottomley
2010-05-19  6:59                                                                 ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-19 20:42                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-20  4:49                                                                     ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 11:27                                                                       ` Vladimir Pantelic
2010-05-20 11:29                                                                         ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 17:40                                                                         ` David Brownell
2010-05-20 18:50                                                                           ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 23:08                                                                             ` David Brownell
2010-05-20  5:15                                                                   ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-20  8:57                                                                     ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20  8:57                                                                       ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 10:05                                                                       ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-20 10:15                                                                         ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 18:54                                                   ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 17:57                                               ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-15 20:14                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-16 19:44                                     ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:24                         ` tytso
2010-05-13 20:36                   ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-14 16:06                 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-24 21:25                 ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-13 21:41           ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 21:54             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 22:07               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 22:26           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-13 21:14       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:31         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:57           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:37       ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 21:47         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 22:01           ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 22:08             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 22:28               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-15  2:35                 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-15  4:04                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-13 22:04           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14  3:25           ` Magnus Damm
2010-05-14 16:18             ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-15  2:47             ` Alan Stern
2010-05-24 21:24     ` Pavel Machek
     [not found] <CEE6BB42CAD6E947908279175AF8470A025A7D7DC4@EXDCVYMBSTM006.EQ1STM.local>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1005261156130.1328-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
     [not found]   ` <CEE6BB42CAD6E947908279175AF8470A025A8206ED@EXDCVYMBSTM006.EQ1STM.local>
2010-05-27  8:04     ` Florian Mickler

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