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From: Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>
To: Daniel Walker <dwalker@fifo99.com>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	"Matthew Garrett" <mjg@redhat.com>,
	"Brian Swetland" <swetland@google.com>,
	"Paul Walmsley" <paul@pwsan.com>,
	"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
	linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Tejun Heo" <tj@kernel.org>,
	"Oleg Nesterov" <oleg@redhat.com>,
	"Tony Lindgren" <tony@atomide.com>,
	"Kevin Hilman" <khilman@deeprootsystems.com>,
	"Alan Stern" <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	magnus.damm@gmail.com, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	"mark gross" <mgross@linux.intel.com>,
	"Arjan van de Ven" <arjan@infradead.org>,
	"Geoff Smith" <geoffx.smith@intel.com>,
	"Benoît Cousson" <b-cousson@ti.com>,
	linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, "Vitaly Wool" <vitalywool@gmail.com>,
	"Mark Brown" <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	"Liam Girdwood" <lrg@slimlogic.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 14:46:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100513214653.GA21120@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1273786409.19100.104.camel@c-dwalke-linux.qualcomm.com>

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 02:33:29PM -0700, Daniel Walker wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 23:27 +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> 
> > Because someone would have to remove suspend blockers (or rather wakelocks)
> > from the drivers, test that they work correctly without suspend blockers and
> > submit the modified versions.  Going forward, every party responsible for such
> > a driver would have to maintain an out-of-tree version with suspend blockers
> > (or wakelocks) anyway, so the incentive to do that is zero.
> 
> They should work without wakelock since wakelock are optional .. I mean
> there's nothing in suspend blockers I've seen that indicates it's
> required for some drivers to work. So it's just a matter of patching out
> the wakelocks, with no need to re-test anything.
> 
> You get the driver mainlined, then maintain a small patch to add
> wakelocks. Not hard at all , with lots of incentive to do so since you
> don't have to maintain such a large block of code out of tree.

Sorry, but it doesn't seem to work that way.  Look at the large number
of out-of-tree android device drivers that remain sitting there because
of the lack of this interface being in the kernel.

Also note that such a driver, without wakelocks, would never get tested,
and so, things start quickly diverging.

thanks,

greg k-h

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-05-13 21:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 323+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-30 22:36 [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6) Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36   ` [PATCH 2/8] PM: suspend_block: Add driver to access suspend blockers from user-space Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36     ` [PATCH 3/8] PM: suspend_block: Abort task freezing if a suspend_blocker is active Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36       ` [PATCH 4/8] PM: suspend_block: Add debugfs file Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36         ` [PATCH 5/8] PM: suspend_block: Add suspend_blocker stats Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36           ` [PATCH 6/8] PM: Add suspend blocking work Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:37             ` [PATCH 7/8] Input: Block suspend while event queue is not empty Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:37               ` [PATCH 8/8] power_supply: Block suspend while power supply change notifications are pending Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-01  6:14             ` [PATCH 6/8] PM: Add suspend blocking work Tejun Heo
2010-05-02  7:05             ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-04 11:16         ` [PATCH 4/8] PM: suspend_block: Add debugfs file Andi Kleen
2010-05-04 21:06           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-02  6:57       ` [PATCH 3/8] PM: suspend_block: Abort task freezing if a suspend_blocker is active Pavel Machek
2010-05-02  7:04     ` [PATCH 2/8] PM: suspend_block: Add driver to access suspend blockers from user-space Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 21:23     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-02 21:56       ` Alan Stern
2010-05-03 15:03         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 21:26           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-03 21:49             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 22:01               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-04 20:02                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-04  4:16           ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-02  6:56   ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 20:10     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-02 20:52       ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 21:29         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 19:01           ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-03 21:38             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 22:11               ` Alan Stern
2010-05-03 22:24                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-02  7:01   ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-04  5:12   ` [linux-pm] " mark gross
2010-05-04 13:59     ` Alan Stern
2010-05-04 16:03       ` mark gross
2010-05-04 17:16         ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05  1:50           ` mark gross
2010-05-05 13:31             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 20:09               ` mark gross
2010-05-05 20:21                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 15:44             ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 20:28               ` mark gross
2010-05-05 21:12                 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 21:37                   ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-05 23:47                     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-05 23:56                       ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-06  0:05                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06  4:16                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-06 17:04                             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07  0:10                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 15:54                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-28  6:43                                 ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-28  7:01                                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-06 13:40                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06 17:01                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06 17:09                           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06 17:14                             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06 17:22                               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06 17:38                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06 17:43                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06 18:33                                     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06 18:44                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07  2:05                                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 17:12                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 17:35                                             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 17:50                                               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 18:01                                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 18:28                                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 18:43                                                     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 18:46                                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 19:06                                                         ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 19:28                                                           ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 19:33                                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 19:55                                                               ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 20:28                                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 20:53                                                                   ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 21:03                                                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 21:25                                                                       ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 21:32                                                                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 21:39                                                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 21:42                                                                           ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 21:48                                                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 22:00                                                                               ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 22:28                                                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 21:30                                                                       ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 21:35                                                                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 21:43                                                                           ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 21:38                                                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06 18:47                                       ` Alan Stern
2010-05-07  2:20                                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-28 13:29                                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-28 13:42                                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-06 17:35                               ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-06 18:36                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06 19:11                                   ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07  2:00                                     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 17:20                                       ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 17:36                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 17:40                                           ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 17:51                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 18:00                                               ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 18:17                                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 17:50                                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07  3:45                               ` mgross
2010-05-07  3:45                             ` mgross
2010-05-07  4:10                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-04 20:40     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-03 16:40 ` [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6) Kevin Hilman
2010-05-03 17:12   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-03 18:17     ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-03 18:07   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-03 21:18     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 23:37       ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04  0:09         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-04  0:43           ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-04 13:59             ` Mark Brown
2010-05-04 18:06               ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04 19:06                 ` Mark Brown
2010-05-04 20:37                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-04 23:14                     ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04 23:42                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-04 20:23                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-04 20:44                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-04 23:56                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05  0:22                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05  1:11                       ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-05 11:06                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 12:00                         ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-05 13:56                           ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 17:33                             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 18:36                               ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 18:52                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 19:13                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 19:22                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 19:52                                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 19:55                                         ` tytso
2010-05-05 20:26                                           ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 20:44                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 21:57                                               ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 22:03                                                 ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-05 22:05                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 23:09                                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 23:33                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-06  0:21                                                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-06  0:51                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 20:02                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 20:09                                           ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 19:39                                     ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 20:56                                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-05 23:40                                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-06  4:25                                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 10:04                                           ` Mark Brown
2010-05-07 10:57                                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 11:21                                               ` Mark Brown
2010-05-07 11:29                                                 ` Theodore Tso
2010-05-07 12:25                                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-07 12:37                                                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-07 13:30                                                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-11 18:47                                                         ` Mark Brown
2010-05-07 11:41                                                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 14:00                                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 19:07                                 ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 19:20                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 19:28                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 20:04                                       ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 20:15                                         ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 20:28                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 23:03                                         ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-05 23:16                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 23:42                                           ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-06 14:08                                             ` Alan Stern
2010-05-06 19:26                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 18:39                               ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 15:35                     ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 16:27                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-04 18:04           ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04  0:43         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-04 13:51           ` Alan Stern
2010-05-04 14:53             ` Mark Brown
2010-05-04 15:13             ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04 15:27             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06  1:40               ` Magnus Damm
2010-05-04 15:13           ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04 15:28             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-03 21:50   ` Matthew Garrett
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2010-05-17 20:07                 ` [linux-pm] " Mike Chan
2010-05-17 20:17                   ` Vitaly Wool
2010-05-17 21:04                     ` Mike Chan
2010-05-17 22:55                   ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 23:04                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-24 18:57     ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-24 19:08       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-25  1:16       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-26 17:32         ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-05 20:35   ` mark gross
2010-05-10 18:06   ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-10 20:25     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-11 16:12       ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-11 16:14         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-11 16:36           ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-11 16:45             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-11 16:58               ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-11 17:03                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-11 17:24                   ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-11 17:30                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-11 17:48                       ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-11 18:01                         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-11 18:19                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-12  1:11     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-12 11:22       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13  3:35 ` [linux-pm] " Paul Walmsley
2010-05-13 12:17   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 17:33     ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 18:17       ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-13 18:25         ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 18:36           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 18:59             ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 19:11               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 19:36                 ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 19:48                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:11                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:16                       ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 21:27                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:33                           ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 21:36                             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:54                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:46                             ` Greg KH [this message]
2010-05-13 22:27                               ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:45                                 ` Greg KH
2010-05-14  0:03                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:46                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 23:36                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 23:48                                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-14  0:29                                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:33                               ` Woodruff, Richard
2010-05-13 22:46                                 ` Greg KH
2010-05-13 23:06                                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-13 23:28                                   ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-14 16:47                               ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 14:16   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 19:17     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 19:25       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 19:42         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 19:53           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 20:00             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 20:08               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 20:23                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 20:34                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:10                     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:21                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:34                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-15 19:54                           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:21                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:25                       ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:56                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14 20:41                           ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-14 21:25                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14 21:40                             ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-14 21:50                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14 22:45                                 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-14 22:59                                   ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-15  2:58                                     ` Alan Stern
2010-05-15  3:40                                       ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-15 21:19                                         ` Alan Stern
2010-05-17 15:40                                           ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 17:04                                             ` James Bottomley
2010-05-17 17:47                                               ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 17:58                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-17 18:16                                                   ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 17:59                                                 ` James Bottomley
2010-05-17 18:12                                                   ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 18:26                                                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-17 18:39                                                       ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 18:45                                                         ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-17 20:22                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17 18:45                                                         ` Mark Brown
2010-05-17 18:47                                                         ` Mike Chan
2010-05-17 19:24                                                     ` James Bottomley
2010-05-17 19:38                                                       ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 19:39                                                         ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 19:49                                                           ` James Bottomley
2010-05-18  6:40                                                             ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-18 13:59                                                               ` James Bottomley
2010-05-19  6:59                                                                 ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-19 20:42                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-20  4:49                                                                     ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 11:27                                                                       ` Vladimir Pantelic
2010-05-20 11:29                                                                         ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 17:40                                                                         ` David Brownell
2010-05-20 18:50                                                                           ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 23:08                                                                             ` David Brownell
2010-05-20  5:15                                                                   ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-20  8:57                                                                     ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20  8:57                                                                       ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 10:05                                                                       ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-20 10:15                                                                         ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 18:54                                                   ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 17:57                                               ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-15 20:14                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-16 19:44                                     ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:24                         ` tytso
2010-05-13 20:36                   ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-14 16:06                 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-24 21:25                 ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-13 21:41           ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 21:54             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 22:07               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 22:26           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-13 21:14       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:31         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:57           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:37       ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 21:47         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 22:01           ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 22:08             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 22:28               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-15  2:35                 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-15  4:04                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-13 22:04           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14  3:25           ` Magnus Damm
2010-05-14 16:18             ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-15  2:47             ` Alan Stern
2010-05-24 21:24     ` Pavel Machek

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