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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, josh@joshtriplett.org,
	dvhltc@us.ibm.com, niv@us.ibm.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,
	dhowells@redhat.com, eric.dumazet@gmail.com,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@relay.de.ibm.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 23/23] vhost: add __rcu annotations
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 07:20:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100518142008.GD2302@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100518013528.GA21866@Krystal>

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 09:35:28PM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> * Paul E. McKenney (paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
> > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 07:40:25PM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > > * Paul E. McKenney (paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
> > > > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 06:00:25PM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:

[ . . . ]

> > > > But perhaps we should be simply treating this as a use-after-free
> > > > problem, so that RCU is not directly involved. Isn't that the standard
> > > > use of debugobjects anyway?
> > > 
> > > OK so we could tie "rcu_dereference" do debugobjects, and free would be
> > > a standard free. Yes, I think it could be done. It looks a bit like the
> > > memory allocation debugging code. If we know that a certain
> > > rcu_dereference always access dynamically allocated memory, we could
> > > probably add some checks there based on the memory allocator debug
> > > objects.
> > 
> > We probably need vhost to add code at the end of the relevant RCU
> > read-side critical section checking that the pointers returned by
> > any rcu_dereference() calls still point to valid memory.  Don't get
> > me wrong, your approach could find bugs in which someone forgot to
> > remove the RCU-protected structure from a public list, but it could
> > not detect failure to wait a grace period between the time of removal
> > and the time of freeing.
> 
> Good point too. So something like a new rcu_unreference() (or feel free
> to find any better name) ;) that would be compiled out normally, but
> would call into debugobjects might do the trick. We would have to add
> these annotations to match every rcu_dereference() though, might means a
> lot of new lines of code. On the plus side, that looks like a good audit
> of RCU read-side use. ;)

My first thought is that we have added quite a bit of RCU consistency
check code in the past few months, so we should see what bugs they find
and what bugs escape.  It is all too easy to create consistency check
code that is more trouble than it is worth.

But in the meantime, let's see what would be required to check for
failures to insert grace-period delays:

o	There would need to be something like rcu_unreference(),
	rcu_no_more_readers() or some such after the grace period.
	The update side would then become something like the following:

		oldp = rcu_dereference_protected(gp, &mylock);
		rcu_assign_pointer(gp, newp);
		synchronize_rcu();
		rcu_no_more_readers(oldp);
		kfree(oldp);

o	There would need to be something to check all of the pointers
	traversed in the read-side critical sections:

		rcu_read_lock();
		...
		p1 = rcu_dereference(gp1->field1);
		...
		p2 = rcu_dereference(gp2->field2);
		...

		rcu_validate(p1);
		rcu_validate(p2);
		rcu_read_unlock();

One thing that bothers me about this is that we are forcing the developer
to do a lot of extra typing.  For example, rcu_no_more_readers() is in
a truth-and-beauty sense redundant with kfree() -- why type both?  The
same could be said about rcu_validate() and rcu_read_unlock(), but nested
RCU read-side critical sections make this difficult.

Or am I misunderstanding what you are suggesting?

							Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-18 14:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-12 21:33 [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/23] infrastructure for sparse checks for RCU usage Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 01/23] rcu: add an rcu_dereference_index_check() Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 02/23] rcu: add __rcu API for later sparse checking Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-13 20:53   ` Matt Helsley
2010-05-13 21:48     ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 03/23] vfs: add fs.h to define struct file Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 04/23] net: Make accesses to ->br_port safe for sparse RCU Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-12 21:44   ` Stephen Hemminger
2010-05-12 22:35     ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-13  1:33       ` Stephen Hemminger
2010-05-13  2:00         ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 05/23] mce: convert to rcu_dereference_index_check() Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 06/23] rcu: define __rcu address space modifier for sparse Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 07/23] rculist: avoid __rcu annotations Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 08/23] cgroups: " Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 09/23] credentials: rcu annotation Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-13 10:04   ` David Howells
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 10/23] keys: __rcu annotations Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-13 10:05   ` David Howells
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 11/23] nfs: " Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 12/23] net: __rcu annotations for drivers Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 13/23] perf_event: __rcu annotations Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 14/23] notifiers: " Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 15/23] radix-tree: " Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 16/23] idr: " Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 17/23] input: " Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-13  7:40   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 18/23] net/netfilter: " Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-13 13:21   ` Patrick McHardy
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 19/23] kvm: add " Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 20/23] kernel: " Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 21/23] net: " Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 22/23] kvm: more " Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-12 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 23/23] vhost: add " Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-12 21:48   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-12 23:00     ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-13  3:53       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-13  4:49         ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-13  4:50       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-13 19:55         ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-13 13:07       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-13 15:23         ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-17 20:33           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-17 21:06             ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-17 22:00               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-17 23:05                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-17 23:08                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-17 23:40                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-18  0:34                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-18  1:35                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-18 14:20                         ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2010-05-18 14:25                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-18 15:07                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-18 14:47                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-18 15:11                             ` Paul E. McKenney

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