From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754140Ab0EZMYj (ORCPT ); Wed, 26 May 2010 08:24:39 -0400 Received: from ist.d-labs.de ([213.239.218.44]:37766 "EHLO mx01.d-labs.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752146Ab0EZMYf (ORCPT ); Wed, 26 May 2010 08:24:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:24:30 +0200 From: Florian Mickler To: Vitaly Wool Cc: Peter Zijlstra , LKML , Paul@smtp1.linux-foundation.org, felipe.balbi@nokia.com, Linux OMAP Mailing List , Linux PM Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8) Message-ID: <20100526142430.327ccbc4@schatten.dmk.lab> In-Reply-To: References: <1274482015-30899-1-git-send-email-arve@android.com> <201005242049.18920.rjw@sisk.pl> <87wrusvrqe.fsf@deeprootsystems.com> <201005250138.16293.rjw@sisk.pl> <1274863655.5882.4875.camel@twins> <1274867106.5882.5090.camel@twins> <20100526120242.5c9b73ad@schatten.dmk.lab> <20100526133721.602633b2@schatten.dmk.lab> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.18.9; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 26 May 2010 14:01:49 +0200 Vitaly Wool wrote: > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Florian Mickler wrote: > > > This is not "protection". This is functioning properly in a real world > > scenario. Why would the user change the kernel, if the device would be > > buggy after that? (Except maybe he is a geek) > > Hmm... Why would the user continue to use the program if it slows down > his device and sucks the battery as a vampire (Except maybe he's a > moron)? ;) > > ~Vitaly Because he is using a robust kernel that provides suspend blockers and is preventing the vampire from sucking power? Most users don't even grasp the simple concept of different "programs". They just have a device and click here and there and are happy. Really, what are you getting at? Do you deny that there are programs, that prevent a device from sleeping? (Just think of the bouncing cows app) And if you have two kernels, one with which your device is dead after 1 hour and one with which your device is dead after 10 hours. Which would you prefer? I mean really... this is ridiculous. Cheers, Flo