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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Arve Hj?nnev?g <arve@android.com>
Cc: Matthew Garrett <mjg@redhat.com>,
	Kevin Hilman <khilman@deeprootsystems.com>,
	linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Paul Walmsley <paul@pwsan.com>,
	magnus.damm@gmail.com, mark gross <mgross@linux.intel.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Geoff Smith <geoffx.smith@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 19:32:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100526173252.GC9069@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilR3CgkLRfxMN_A79kuC_KOgsfW4oNUDPZFlZFW@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon 2010-05-24 18:16:15, Arve Hj?nnev?g wrote:
> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> >> I agree that the runtime scenario is a far more appealing one from an
> >> aesthetic standpoint, but so far we don't have a very compelling
> >> argument for dealing with the starting and stopping of userspace. The
> >> use-cases that Google have provided are valid and they have an
> >> implementation that addresses them, and while we're unable to provide an
> >> alternative that provides the same level of functionality I think we're
> >> in a poor position to prevent this from going in.
> >
> > Uhuh?
> >
> > "We have this ugly code here, but it works and we don't have better
> > one, so lets merge it"?
> >
> > I don't really like this line of reasoning. I would not want to judge
> > wakelocks here, but... "it works, merge it" should not be used as
> > argument.
> >
> > And btw I do have wakelock-less implementation of autosleep, that only
> > sleeped the machine when nothing was ready to run. It was called
> > "sleepy linux". Should I dig it out?
> >
> > Major difference was that it only sleeped the machine when it was
> > absolutely certain machine is idle and no timers are close to firing
> > -- needing elimination or at least markup of all short timers. It
> > erred on side of not sleeping the machine when it would break
> > something.
> >
> 
> How did you handle external events that occur right after you decided to sleep?

I decided to go to sleep with interrupts disabled... it was prototype
on x86, so it was rather tricky.

I'd expect external events after sleep decision to just wakeup machine
immediately, similar to entering deep CPU sleep mode...
-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html

  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-26 17:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 324+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-30 22:36 [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6) Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36   ` [PATCH 2/8] PM: suspend_block: Add driver to access suspend blockers from user-space Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36     ` [PATCH 3/8] PM: suspend_block: Abort task freezing if a suspend_blocker is active Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36       ` [PATCH 4/8] PM: suspend_block: Add debugfs file Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36         ` [PATCH 5/8] PM: suspend_block: Add suspend_blocker stats Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36           ` [PATCH 6/8] PM: Add suspend blocking work Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:37             ` [PATCH 7/8] Input: Block suspend while event queue is not empty Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:37               ` [PATCH 8/8] power_supply: Block suspend while power supply change notifications are pending Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-01  6:14             ` [PATCH 6/8] PM: Add suspend blocking work Tejun Heo
2010-05-02  7:05             ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-04 11:16         ` [PATCH 4/8] PM: suspend_block: Add debugfs file Andi Kleen
2010-05-04 21:06           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-02  6:57       ` [PATCH 3/8] PM: suspend_block: Abort task freezing if a suspend_blocker is active Pavel Machek
2010-05-02  7:04     ` [PATCH 2/8] PM: suspend_block: Add driver to access suspend blockers from user-space Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 21:23     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-02 21:56       ` Alan Stern
2010-05-03 15:03         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 21:26           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-03 21:49             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 22:01               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-04 20:02                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-04  4:16           ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-02  6:56   ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 20:10     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-02 20:52       ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 21:29         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 19:01           ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-03 21:38             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 22:11               ` Alan Stern
2010-05-03 22:24                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-02  7:01   ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-04  5:12   ` [linux-pm] " mark gross
2010-05-04 13:59     ` Alan Stern
2010-05-04 16:03       ` mark gross
2010-05-04 17:16         ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05  1:50           ` mark gross
2010-05-05 13:31             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 20:09               ` mark gross
2010-05-05 20:21                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 15:44             ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 20:28               ` mark gross
2010-05-05 21:12                 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 21:37                   ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-05 23:47                     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-05 23:56                       ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-06  0:05                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06  4:16                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-06 17:04                             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07  0:10                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 15:54                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-28  6:43                                 ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-28  7:01                                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-06 13:40                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06 17:01                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06 17:09                           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06 17:14                             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06 17:22                               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06 17:38                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06 17:43                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06 18:33                                     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06 18:44                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07  2:05                                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 17:12                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 17:35                                             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 17:50                                               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 18:01                                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 18:28                                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 18:43                                                     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 18:46                                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 19:06                                                         ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 19:28                                                           ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 19:33                                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 19:55                                                               ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 20:28                                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 20:53                                                                   ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 21:03                                                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 21:25                                                                       ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 21:32                                                                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 21:39                                                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 21:42                                                                           ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 21:48                                                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 22:00                                                                               ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 22:28                                                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 21:30                                                                       ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 21:35                                                                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 21:43                                                                           ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 21:38                                                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06 18:47                                       ` Alan Stern
2010-05-07  2:20                                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-28 13:29                                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-28 13:42                                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-06 17:35                               ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-06 18:36                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-06 19:11                                   ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07  2:00                                     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 17:20                                       ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 17:36                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 17:40                                           ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 17:51                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-07 18:00                                               ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-07 18:17                                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07 17:50                                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-07  3:45                               ` mgross
2010-05-07  3:45                             ` mgross
2010-05-07  4:10                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-04 20:40     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-03 16:40 ` [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6) Kevin Hilman
2010-05-03 17:12   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-03 18:17     ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-03 18:07   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-03 21:18     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 23:37       ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04  0:09         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-04  0:43           ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-04 13:59             ` Mark Brown
2010-05-04 18:06               ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04 19:06                 ` Mark Brown
2010-05-04 20:37                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-04 23:14                     ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04 23:42                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-04 20:23                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-04 20:44                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-04 23:56                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05  0:22                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05  1:11                       ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-05 11:06                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 12:00                         ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-05 13:56                           ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 17:33                             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 18:36                               ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 18:52                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 19:13                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 19:22                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 19:52                                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 19:55                                         ` tytso
2010-05-05 20:26                                           ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 20:44                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 21:57                                               ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 22:03                                                 ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-05 22:05                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 23:09                                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 23:33                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-06  0:21                                                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-06  0:51                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 20:02                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 20:09                                           ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 19:39                                     ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 20:56                                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-05 23:40                                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-06  4:25                                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 10:04                                           ` Mark Brown
2010-05-07 10:57                                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 11:21                                               ` Mark Brown
2010-05-07 11:29                                                 ` Theodore Tso
2010-05-07 12:25                                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-07 12:37                                                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-07 13:30                                                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-11 18:47                                                         ` Mark Brown
2010-05-07 11:41                                                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 14:00                                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 19:07                                 ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 19:20                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 19:28                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-05 20:04                                       ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 20:15                                         ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 20:28                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 23:03                                         ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-05 23:16                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 23:42                                           ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-06 14:08                                             ` Alan Stern
2010-05-06 19:26                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 18:39                               ` Mark Brown
2010-05-05 15:35                     ` Alan Stern
2010-05-05 16:27                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-04 18:04           ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04  0:43         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-04 13:51           ` Alan Stern
2010-05-04 14:53             ` Mark Brown
2010-05-04 15:13             ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04 15:27             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-06  1:40               ` Magnus Damm
2010-05-04 15:13           ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04 15:28             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-03 21:50   ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]     ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1005141408260.3348@utopia.booyaka.com>
     [not found]       ` <20100514203202.GA12409@srcf.ucam.org>
     [not found]         ` <87aas2azc5.fsf@deeprootsystems.com>
     [not found]           ` <20100514231510.GG16989@thunk.org>
     [not found]             ` <87r5laa4oc.fsf@deeprootsystems.com>
     [not found]               ` <AANLkTilL90pYVlquvMDAEPHj_AraEi9Qzk-0tTjw9Bkx@mail.gmail.com>
2010-05-17 20:07                 ` [linux-pm] " Mike Chan
2010-05-17 20:17                   ` Vitaly Wool
2010-05-17 21:04                     ` Mike Chan
2010-05-17 22:55                   ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 23:04                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-24 18:57     ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-24 19:08       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-25  1:16       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-26 17:32         ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2010-05-05 20:35   ` mark gross
2010-05-10 18:06   ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-10 20:25     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-11 16:12       ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-11 16:14         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-11 16:36           ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-11 16:45             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-11 16:58               ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-11 17:03                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-11 17:24                   ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-11 17:30                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-11 17:48                       ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-11 18:01                         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-11 18:19                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-12  1:11     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-12 11:22       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13  3:35 ` [linux-pm] " Paul Walmsley
2010-05-13 12:17   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 17:33     ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 18:17       ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-13 18:25         ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 18:36           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 18:59             ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 19:11               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 19:36                 ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 19:48                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:11                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:16                       ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 21:27                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:33                           ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 21:36                             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:54                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:46                             ` Greg KH
2010-05-13 22:27                               ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:45                                 ` Greg KH
2010-05-14  0:03                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:46                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 23:36                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 23:48                                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-14  0:29                                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:33                               ` Woodruff, Richard
2010-05-13 22:46                                 ` Greg KH
2010-05-13 23:06                                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-13 23:28                                   ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-14 16:47                               ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 14:16   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 19:17     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 19:25       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 19:42         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 19:53           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 20:00             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 20:08               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 20:23                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 20:34                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:10                     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:21                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:34                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-15 19:54                           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:21                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:25                       ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:56                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14 20:41                           ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-14 21:25                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14 21:40                             ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-14 21:50                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14 22:45                                 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-14 22:59                                   ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-15  2:58                                     ` Alan Stern
2010-05-15  3:40                                       ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-15 21:19                                         ` Alan Stern
2010-05-17 15:40                                           ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 17:04                                             ` James Bottomley
2010-05-17 17:47                                               ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 17:58                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-17 18:16                                                   ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 17:59                                                 ` James Bottomley
2010-05-17 18:12                                                   ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 18:26                                                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-17 18:39                                                       ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 18:45                                                         ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-17 20:22                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17 18:45                                                         ` Mark Brown
2010-05-17 18:47                                                         ` Mike Chan
2010-05-17 19:24                                                     ` James Bottomley
2010-05-17 19:38                                                       ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 19:39                                                         ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 19:49                                                           ` James Bottomley
2010-05-18  6:40                                                             ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-18 13:59                                                               ` James Bottomley
2010-05-19  6:59                                                                 ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-19 20:42                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-20  4:49                                                                     ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 11:27                                                                       ` Vladimir Pantelic
2010-05-20 11:29                                                                         ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 17:40                                                                         ` David Brownell
2010-05-20 18:50                                                                           ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 23:08                                                                             ` David Brownell
2010-05-20  5:15                                                                   ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-20  8:57                                                                     ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20  8:57                                                                       ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 10:05                                                                       ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-20 10:15                                                                         ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 18:54                                                   ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 17:57                                               ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-15 20:14                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-16 19:44                                     ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:24                         ` tytso
2010-05-13 20:36                   ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-14 16:06                 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-24 21:25                 ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-13 21:41           ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 21:54             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 22:07               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 22:26           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-13 21:14       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:31         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:57           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:37       ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 21:47         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 22:01           ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 22:08             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 22:28               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-15  2:35                 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-15  4:04                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-13 22:04           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14  3:25           ` Magnus Damm
2010-05-14 16:18             ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-15  2:47             ` Alan Stern
2010-05-24 21:24     ` Pavel Machek
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2010-05-27  8:04     ` Florian Mickler

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