From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755469Ab0EZTPv (ORCPT ); Wed, 26 May 2010 15:15:51 -0400 Received: from ist.d-labs.de ([213.239.218.44]:52781 "EHLO mx01.d-labs.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752795Ab0EZTPt (ORCPT ); Wed, 26 May 2010 15:15:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 21:15:42 +0200 From: Florian Mickler To: Pavel Machek Cc: James Bottomley , Peter Zijlstra , Pekka Enberg , Arve Hj?nnev?g , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , Alan Stern , Dmitry Torokhov , Linux-pm mailing list , Kernel development list , Len Brown , Randy Dunlap , Andrew Morton , Andi Kleen , Cornelia Huck , Tejun Heo , Jesse Barnes , Nigel Cunningham , Ming Lei , Wu Fengguang , Maxim Levitsky , linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, Matthew Garrett , Greg KH , tytso@mit.edu Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/8] PM: Opportunistic suspend support. Message-ID: <20100526211542.1bfa2564@schatten.dmk.lab> In-Reply-To: <20100526172824.GA9069@elf.ucw.cz> References: <1274868384.5882.5169.camel@twins> <1274869262.5882.5222.camel@twins> <1274890736.4467.574.camel@mulgrave.site> <1274891308.1674.1766.camel@laptop> <1274892847.4467.674.camel@mulgrave.site> <1274893228.1674.1772.camel@laptop> <1274894042.4467.727.camel@mulgrave.site> <20100526172824.GA9069@elf.ucw.cz> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.5 (GTK+ 2.18.9; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 26 May 2010 19:28:24 +0200 Pavel Machek wrote: > Besides that it is not linux system at all? I believe the kernel to be a layer between userspace and hardware. What business is it to the kernel if it runs whatever android uses as init process or /bin/bash, sys-v-init or systemd? There is this thing called choice. > > Yes, with custom userspace it works extremely nicely. > > Had anyone even tried running oportunistic suspend on normal desktop? > Pavel I don't think this is a valid concern. Just because current linux/gnu systems don't implement the userspace part of this interface doesn't mean it is useless or broken. Cheers, Flo -- Just because I argue an issue, doesn't mean I agree with either side of it.