From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Florian Mickler <florian@mickler.org>,
Arve Hj??nnev??g <arve@android.com>,
linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>,
Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org>,
Magnus Damm <damm@igel.co.jp>,
Nigel Cunningham <nigel@tuxonice.net>,
Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
Ming Lei <tom.leiming@gmail.com>,
Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>,
linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api.
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:41:52 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100527154152.GF1957@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201005210018.43576.rjw@sisk.pl>
Hi!
> > > > Yeah, one file selects behavior of another file, and to read available
> > > > states for opportunistic, you have to write to file first.
> > > >
> > > > I still don't like the interface.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Actually, what would be a better interface?
> > >
> > > I wonder why it is not like this:
>
> Because I think the "forced" and "opportunistic" suspend "modes" are mutually
> exclusive in practice and the interface as proposed reflects that quite well.
Why should they be? Forced disk while opportunistic mem is active
makes a lot of sense. If code can't support it now, just return
-EINVAL, but please don't cripple the interface just because of that.
> > > /sys/power/state
> > > no change, works with and without opportunistic suspend the
> > > same. Ignores suspend blockers. Really no change. (From user
> > > perspective)
> > >
> > > /sys/power/opportunistic
> > > On / Off
> > > While Off the opportunistic suspend is off.
> > > While On, the opportunistic suspend is on and if there are no
> > > suspend blockers the system goes to suspend.
> > >
> >
> > I forgot, of course there needs to be another knob to implement the
> > "on" behaviour in the opportunistic mode
> >
> > /sys/power/block_opportunistic_suspend
> >
> > There you have it. One file, one purpose.
>
> That's getting messy IMHO.
>
> In addition to that you get a nice race when the user writes "mem"
> to /sys/power/state and opportunistic suspend happens at the same
> time.
It should not opportunistically suspend when it has work to do (like
entering forced suspend).
Pavel
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-05-27 15:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-05-14 4:11 [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 7) Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14 4:11 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14 4:11 ` [PATCH 2/8] PM: suspend_block: Add driver to access suspend blockers from user-space Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14 4:11 ` [PATCH 3/8] PM: suspend_block: Abort task freezing if a suspend_blocker is active Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14 4:11 ` [PATCH 4/8] PM: suspend_block: Add debugfs file Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14 4:11 ` [PATCH 5/8] PM: suspend_block: Add suspend_blocker stats Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14 4:11 ` [PATCH 6/8] PM: Add suspend blocking work Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14 4:11 ` [PATCH 7/8] Input: Block suspend while event queue is not empty Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14 4:11 ` [PATCH 8/8] power_supply: Block suspend while power supply change notifications are pending Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 13:11 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Pavel Machek
2010-05-20 9:11 ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-20 9:26 ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-20 22:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-21 6:04 ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-27 15:41 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2010-05-14 21:08 ` [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 7) Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17 4:50 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-17 19:01 ` Mike Snitzer
2010-05-17 21:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17 22:16 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-18 0:52 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 16:18 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-18 18:52 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 22:04 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-18 22:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-19 0:00 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 19:13 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 20:47 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 21:48 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 22:03 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 22:34 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 22:52 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 23:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 23:42 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-19 20:39 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-19 21:34 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-20 22:21 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-16 19:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17 4:16 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-17 20:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17 20:51 ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-17 21:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17 23:32 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 19:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 20:35 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 21:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 22:21 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 22:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 23:06 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-19 20:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-04-30 22:36 [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6) Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-02 6:56 ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 20:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-02 20:52 ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 21:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 19:01 ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-03 21:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 22:11 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-03 22:24 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-02 7:01 ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-28 4:31 [PATCH 0/9] Suspend block api (version 5) Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-28 4:31 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-28 6:07 ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-28 19:13 ` Alan Stern
2010-04-28 21:13 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-04-28 23:35 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-29 15:41 ` Alan Stern
2010-04-29 23:39 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 14:41 ` Alan Stern
2010-04-28 20:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-04-29 3:37 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-29 21:16 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-04-30 4:24 ` Tejun Heo
2010-04-30 17:26 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-05-20 8:30 ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-20 22:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-21 6:35 ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-06 15:18 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-06 19:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-06 19:40 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-06 23:48 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 14:22 ` Alan Stern
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