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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Florian Mickler <florian@mickler.org>,
	Arve Hj??nnev??g <arve@android.com>,
	linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org>,
	Magnus Damm <damm@igel.co.jp>,
	Nigel Cunningham <nigel@tuxonice.net>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Ming Lei <tom.leiming@gmail.com>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api.
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:41:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100527154152.GF1957@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201005210018.43576.rjw@sisk.pl>

Hi!

> > > > Yeah, one file selects behavior of another file, and to read available
> > > > states for opportunistic, you have to write to file first.
> > > > 
> > > > I still don't like the interface.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Actually, what would be a better interface? 
> > > 
> > > I wonder why it is not like this:
> 
> Because I think the "forced" and "opportunistic" suspend "modes" are mutually
> exclusive in practice and the interface as proposed reflects that quite well.

Why should they be? Forced disk while opportunistic mem is active
makes a lot of sense. If code can't support it now, just return
-EINVAL, but please don't cripple the interface just because of that.

> > > /sys/power/state 
> > > 	no change, works with and without opportunistic suspend the
> > > 	same. Ignores suspend blockers. Really no change. (From user
> > > 	perspective)
> > > 
> > > /sys/power/opportunistic
> > > 	On / Off
> > > 	While Off the opportunistic suspend is off.
> > > 	While On, the opportunistic suspend is on and if there are no
> > > 	suspend blockers the system goes to suspend. 
> > > 
> > 
> > I forgot, of course there needs to be another knob to implement the
> > "on" behaviour  in the opportunistic mode
> > 
> >  /sys/power/block_opportunistic_suspend
> > 
> > There you have it. One file, one purpose. 
> 
> That's getting messy IMHO.
> 
> In addition to that you get a nice race when the user writes "mem"
> to /sys/power/state and opportunistic suspend happens at the same
> time.

It should not opportunistically suspend when it has work to do (like
entering forced suspend).
									Pavel

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-05-27 15:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-14  4:11 [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 7) Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14  4:11 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14  4:11   ` [PATCH 2/8] PM: suspend_block: Add driver to access suspend blockers from user-space Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14  4:11     ` [PATCH 3/8] PM: suspend_block: Abort task freezing if a suspend_blocker is active Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14  4:11       ` [PATCH 4/8] PM: suspend_block: Add debugfs file Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14  4:11         ` [PATCH 5/8] PM: suspend_block: Add suspend_blocker stats Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14  4:11           ` [PATCH 6/8] PM: Add suspend blocking work Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14  4:11             ` [PATCH 7/8] Input: Block suspend while event queue is not empty Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14  4:11               ` [PATCH 8/8] power_supply: Block suspend while power supply change notifications are pending Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 13:11   ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Pavel Machek
2010-05-20  9:11     ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-20  9:26       ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-20 22:18         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-21  6:04           ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-27 15:41           ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2010-05-14 21:08 ` [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 7) Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17  4:50   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-17 19:01     ` Mike Snitzer
2010-05-17 21:42     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17 22:16       ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-18  0:52       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 16:18         ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-18 18:52           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 22:04             ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-18 22:29               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-19  0:00           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 19:13         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 20:47           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 21:48             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 22:03               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 22:34                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 22:52                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 23:19                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 23:42                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-19 20:39                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-19 21:34                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-20 22:21                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-16 19:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17  4:16   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-17 20:40     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17 20:51       ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-17 21:44         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17 23:32           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 19:38             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 20:35               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 21:14                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 22:21                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 22:56                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 23:06                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-19 20:40                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-04-30 22:36 [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6) Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-02  6:56   ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 20:10     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-02 20:52       ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 21:29         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 19:01           ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-03 21:38             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 22:11               ` Alan Stern
2010-05-03 22:24                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-02  7:01   ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-28  4:31 [PATCH 0/9] Suspend block api (version 5) Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-28  4:31 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-28  6:07   ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-28 19:13   ` Alan Stern
2010-04-28 21:13     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-04-28 23:35       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-29 15:41         ` Alan Stern
2010-04-29 23:39           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 14:41             ` Alan Stern
2010-04-28 20:50   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-04-29  3:37     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-29 21:16       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-04-30  4:24         ` Tejun Heo
2010-04-30 17:26           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-05-20  8:30             ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-20 22:27               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-21  6:35                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-06 15:18   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-06 19:28     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-06 19:40       ` Alan Stern
2010-05-06 23:48         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 14:22           ` Alan Stern

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