From: Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>, Tom Lyon <pugs@cisco.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
chrisw@sous-sol.org, hjk@linutronix.de, gregkh@suse.de,
aafabbri@cisco.com, scofeldm@cisco.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] VFIO driver: Non-privileged user level PCI drivers
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:50:50 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100602125049.GB11162@8bytes.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C064DA7.6060504@redhat.com>
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 03:25:11PM +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 06/02/2010 03:19 PM, Joerg Roedel wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. so you do:
>>> iommu = open
>>> ioctl(dev1, BIND, iommu)
>>> ioctl(dev2, BIND, iommu)
>>> ioctl(dev3, BIND, iommu)
>>> ioctl(dev4, BIND, iommu)
>>>
>>> No need to add a SHARE ioctl.
>>>
>> In my proposal this looks like:
>>
>>
>> dev1 = open();
>> ioctl(dev2, SHARE, dev1);
>> ioctl(dev3, SHARE, dev1);
>> ioctl(dev4, SHARE, dev1);
>>
>> So we actually save an ioctl.
>>
>
> The problem with this is that it is assymetric, dev1 is treated
> differently from dev[234]. It's an unintuitive API.
Its by far more unintuitive that a process needs to explicitly bind a
device to an iommu domain before it can do anything with it. If its
required anyway the binding can happen implicitly. We could allow to do
a nop 'ioctl(dev1, SHARE, dev1)' to remove the asymmetry.
Note that this way of handling userspace iommu mappings is also a lot
simpler for most use-cases outside of KVM. If a developer wants to write
a userspace driver all it needs to do is:
dev = open();
ioctl(dev, MAP, ...);
/* use device with mappings */
close(dev);
Which is much easier than the need to create a domain explicitly.
Joerg
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-06-02 12:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-05-28 23:07 [PATCH] VFIO driver: Non-privileged user level PCI drivers Tom Lyon
2010-05-28 23:36 ` Randy Dunlap
2010-05-28 23:56 ` Randy Dunlap
2010-05-29 11:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-05-29 12:16 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-30 12:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-30 12:27 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-30 12:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-30 13:01 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-30 13:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-30 13:13 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-30 14:53 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-31 11:50 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-31 17:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-01 8:10 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-01 9:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-01 10:28 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-01 10:46 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-01 12:41 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 9:45 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 9:49 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 10:04 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 10:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 11:21 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 16:53 ` Chris Wright
2010-06-06 13:44 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 10:15 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 10:26 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-01 21:26 ` Tom Lyon
2010-06-02 2:59 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 5:29 ` Chris Wright
2010-06-02 5:40 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 4:29 ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-02 4:59 ` Tom Lyon
2010-06-02 5:08 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 9:53 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 9:42 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 9:50 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 9:53 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 10:19 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 10:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 10:35 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 10:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 11:12 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 11:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 12:19 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 12:25 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 12:50 ` Joerg Roedel [this message]
2010-06-02 13:06 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 13:53 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 13:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 14:01 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 12:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 13:02 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 17:46 ` Chris Wright
2010-06-02 18:09 ` Tom Lyon
2010-06-02 19:46 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-03 6:23 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-03 21:41 ` Tom Lyon
2010-06-06 9:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-07 19:01 ` Tom Lyon
2010-06-08 21:22 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 10:44 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-30 12:59 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-31 17:17 ` Alan Cox
2010-06-01 21:29 ` Tom Lyon
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