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From: Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>, Tom Lyon <pugs@cisco.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	chrisw@sous-sol.org, hjk@linutronix.de, gregkh@suse.de,
	aafabbri@cisco.com, scofeldm@cisco.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] VFIO driver: Non-privileged user level PCI drivers
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:50:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100602125049.GB11162@8bytes.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C064DA7.6060504@redhat.com>

On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 03:25:11PM +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 06/02/2010 03:19 PM, Joerg Roedel wrote:
>>
>>> Yes.  so you do:
>>> iommu = open
>>> ioctl(dev1, BIND, iommu)
>>> ioctl(dev2, BIND, iommu)
>>> ioctl(dev3, BIND, iommu)
>>> ioctl(dev4, BIND, iommu)
>>>
>>> No need to add a SHARE ioctl.
>>>      
>> In my proposal this looks like:
>>
>>
>> dev1 = open();
>> ioctl(dev2, SHARE, dev1);
>> ioctl(dev3, SHARE, dev1);
>> ioctl(dev4, SHARE, dev1);
>>
>> So we actually save an ioctl.
>>    
>
> The problem with this is that it is assymetric, dev1 is treated  
> differently from dev[234].  It's an unintuitive API.

Its by far more unintuitive that a process needs to explicitly bind a
device to an iommu domain before it can do anything with it. If its
required anyway the binding can happen implicitly. We could allow to do
a nop 'ioctl(dev1, SHARE, dev1)' to remove the asymmetry.

Note that this way of handling userspace iommu mappings is also a lot
simpler for most use-cases outside of KVM. If a developer wants to write
a userspace driver all it needs to do is:

dev = open();
ioctl(dev, MAP, ...);
/* use device with mappings */
close(dev);

Which is much easier than the need to create a domain explicitly.

	Joerg


  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-02 12:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-28 23:07 [PATCH] VFIO driver: Non-privileged user level PCI drivers Tom Lyon
2010-05-28 23:36 ` Randy Dunlap
2010-05-28 23:56 ` Randy Dunlap
2010-05-29 11:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-05-29 12:16   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-30 12:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-30 12:27   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-30 12:49     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-30 13:01       ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-30 13:03         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-30 13:13           ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-30 14:53             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-31 11:50               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-31 17:10                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-01  8:10                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-01  9:55                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-01 10:28                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-01 10:46                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-01 12:41                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02  9:45                             ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02  9:49                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 10:04                                 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 10:09                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 11:21                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 16:53                                     ` Chris Wright
2010-06-06 13:44                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 10:15                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 10:26                                 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-01 21:26                           ` Tom Lyon
2010-06-02  2:59                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02  5:29                               ` Chris Wright
2010-06-02  5:40                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02  4:29                         ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-02  4:59                           ` Tom Lyon
2010-06-02  5:08                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02  9:53                             ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02  9:42                       ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02  9:50                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02  9:53                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 10:19                           ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 10:21                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 10:35                               ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 10:38                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 11:12                                   ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 11:21                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 12:19                                       ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 12:25                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 12:50                                           ` Joerg Roedel [this message]
2010-06-02 13:06                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 13:53                                               ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 13:17                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 14:01                                               ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 12:34                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 13:02                                           ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 17:46                                         ` Chris Wright
2010-06-02 18:09                                           ` Tom Lyon
2010-06-02 19:46                                             ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-03  6:23                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-03 21:41                                             ` Tom Lyon
2010-06-06  9:54                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-07 19:01                                                 ` Tom Lyon
2010-06-08 21:22                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 10:44                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-30 12:59 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-31 17:17 ` Alan Cox
2010-06-01 21:29   ` Tom Lyon

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