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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Tom Lyon <pugs@lyon-about.com>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	hjk@linutronix.de, gregkh@suse.de, aafabbri@cisco.com,
	scofeldm@cisco.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] VFIO driver: Non-privileged user level PCI drivers
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 00:22:48 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100608212248.GC21815@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201006071201.04418.pugs@lyon-about.com>

On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 12:01:04PM -0700, Tom Lyon wrote:
> On Sunday 06 June 2010 02:54:51 am Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 03, 2010 at 02:41:38PM -0700, Tom Lyon wrote:
> > > OK, in the interest of making progress, I am about to embark on the following:
> > > 
> > > 1. Create a user-iommu-domain driver - opening it will give a new empty domain.
> > >     Ultimately this can also populate sysfs with the state of its world, which would
> > >     also be a good addition to the base iommu stuff.
> > >     If someone closes the fd while in use, the domain stays valid anyway until users
> > >     drop off.
> > > 
> > > 2. Add DOMAIN_SET and DOMAIN_UNSET ioctls to the vfio driver.  Require that
> > >    a domain be set before using the VFIO_DMA_MAP_IOVA ioctl
> > 
> > Require domain to be set before you allow any access to the device:
> > mmap, write, read.  IMO this is the only safe way to make sure userspace
> > does not corrupt memory, and this removes the need to special-case
> > MSI memory, play with bus master enable and hope it can be cleared without
> > reset, etc.
> 
> Michael - the light bulb finally lit for me and I now understand what you've been
> saying the past few weeks.  Of course you're right - we need iommu set before any
> register access.  I had thought that was done by default but now I see that the 
> dma_map_sg routine only attaches to the iommu on demand.
> 
> So I will torpedo the MAP_ANYWHERE stuff. I'd like to keep the MAP_IOVA ioctl
> with the vfio fd so that the user can still do everything with one fd. I'm thinking the
> fd opens and iommu bindings could be done in a program before spinning out the
> program with the user driver.

This would kind of break Avi's idea that mappings are programmed
at the domain and shared by multiple devices, won't it?

> > 
> > > (this is the one
> > >    that KVM wants).
> > 
> > Not sure I understand. I think that MAP should be done on the domain,
> > not the device, this handles pinning pages correctly and
> > this way you don't need any special checks.
> > 
> > >    However, the VFIO_DMA_MAP_ANYWHERE ioctl is the one
> > >    which uses the dma_sg interface which has no expicit control of domains. I
> > >    intend to keep it the way it is, but expect only non-hypervisor programs would
> > >    want to use it.
> > 
> > If we support MAP_IOVA, why is MAP_ANYWHERE useful? Can't
> > non-hypervisors just pick an address?
> > 
> > > 3. Clean up the docs and other nits that folks have found.
> > > 
> > > Comments? 
> > 
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-08 21:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-28 23:07 [PATCH] VFIO driver: Non-privileged user level PCI drivers Tom Lyon
2010-05-28 23:36 ` Randy Dunlap
2010-05-28 23:56 ` Randy Dunlap
2010-05-29 11:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-05-29 12:16   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-30 12:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-30 12:27   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-30 12:49     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-30 13:01       ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-30 13:03         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-30 13:13           ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-30 14:53             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-31 11:50               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-31 17:10                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-01  8:10                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-01  9:55                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-01 10:28                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-01 10:46                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-01 12:41                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02  9:45                             ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02  9:49                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 10:04                                 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 10:09                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 11:21                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 16:53                                     ` Chris Wright
2010-06-06 13:44                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 10:15                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 10:26                                 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-01 21:26                           ` Tom Lyon
2010-06-02  2:59                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02  5:29                               ` Chris Wright
2010-06-02  5:40                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02  4:29                         ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-02  4:59                           ` Tom Lyon
2010-06-02  5:08                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02  9:53                             ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02  9:42                       ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02  9:50                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02  9:53                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 10:19                           ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 10:21                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 10:35                               ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 10:38                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 11:12                                   ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 11:21                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 12:19                                       ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 12:25                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 12:50                                           ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 13:06                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 13:53                                               ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 13:17                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 14:01                                               ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 12:34                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 13:02                                           ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 17:46                                         ` Chris Wright
2010-06-02 18:09                                           ` Tom Lyon
2010-06-02 19:46                                             ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-03  6:23                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-03 21:41                                             ` Tom Lyon
2010-06-06  9:54                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-07 19:01                                                 ` Tom Lyon
2010-06-08 21:22                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2010-06-02 10:44                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-30 12:59 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-31 17:17 ` Alan Cox
2010-06-01 21:29   ` Tom Lyon

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