From: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@vyatta.com>
To: Ed W <lists@wildgooses.com>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
davidsen@tmr.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Raise initial congestion window size / speedup slow start?
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:10:40 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100714121040.4a674511@nehalam> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C3E0684.5060409@wildgooses.com>
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:48:36 +0100
Ed W <lists@wildgooses.com> wrote:
> On 14/07/2010 19:15, David Miller wrote:
> > From: Bill Davidsen<davidsen@tmr.com>
> > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:21:15 -0400
> >
> >
> >> You may have to go into /proc/sys/net/core and crank up the
> >> rmem_* settings, depending on your distribution.
> >>
> > You should never, ever, have to touch the various networking sysctl
> > values to get good performance in any normal setup. If you do, it's a
> > bug, report it so we can fix it.
> >
>
> Just checking the basics here because I don't think this is a bug so
> much as a, less common installation that differs from the "normal" case.
>
> - When we create a tcp connection we always start with tcp slow start
> - This sets the congestion window to effectively 4 packets?
> - This applies in both directions?
> - Remote sender responds to my hypothetical http request with the first
> 4 packets of data
> - We need to wait one RTT for the ack to come back and now we can send
> the next 8 packets,
> - Wait for the next ack and at 16 packets we are now moving at a
> sensible fraction of the bandwidth delay product?
>
> So just to be clear:
> - We don't seem to have any user-space tuning knobs to influence this
> right now?
> - In this age of short attention spans, a couple of extra seconds
> between clicking something and it responding is worth optimising (IMHO)
> - I think I need to take this to netdev, but anyone else with any ideas
> happy to hear them?
>
> Thanks
>
> Ed W
TCP slow start is required by the RFC. It is there to prevent a TCP congestion
collapse. The HTTP problem is exacerbated by things beyond the user's control:
1. stupid server software that dribbles out data and doesn't used the full
payload of the packets
2. web pages with data from multiple sources (ads especially), each of which
requires a new connection
3. pages with huge graphics.
Most of this is because of sites that haven't figured out that somebody on a phone
across the globl might not have the same RTT and bandwidth that the developer on a
local network that created them. Changing the initial cwnd isn't going to fix it.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-07-14 19:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-07-14 10:43 Raise initial congestion window size / speedup slow start? Ed W
2010-07-14 11:58 ` Alan Cox
2010-07-14 15:21 ` Bill Davidsen
2010-07-14 18:15 ` David Miller
2010-07-14 18:48 ` Ed W
2010-07-14 19:10 ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2010-07-14 21:47 ` Mitchell Erblich
2010-07-14 20:17 ` Rick Jones
2010-07-14 20:39 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2010-07-14 21:55 ` David Miller
2010-07-14 22:13 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2010-07-14 22:19 ` Rick Jones
2010-07-14 22:40 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2010-07-14 22:52 ` Ed W
2010-07-14 23:01 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2010-07-14 23:05 ` Ed W
2010-07-15 3:49 ` Bill Fink
2010-07-15 5:29 ` H.K. Jerry Chu
2010-07-15 19:51 ` Rick Jones
2010-07-15 20:48 ` Stephen Hemminger
2010-07-16 0:23 ` H.K. Jerry Chu
2010-07-16 9:03 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2010-07-15 10:33 ` Alan Cox
2010-07-14 22:05 ` Ed W
2010-07-14 22:36 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2010-07-14 23:01 ` Ed W
2010-07-15 4:12 ` Tom Herbert
2010-07-15 7:48 ` Ed W
2010-07-15 17:36 ` Jerry Chu
2010-07-15 5:09 ` H.K. Jerry Chu
2010-07-15 2:52 ` Bill Fink
2010-07-15 4:51 ` H.K. Jerry Chu
2010-07-16 17:01 ` Patrick McManus
2010-07-16 17:41 ` Ed W
2010-07-17 1:23 ` H.K. Jerry Chu
2010-07-17 0:36 ` H.K. Jerry Chu
2010-07-19 17:08 ` Rick Jones
2010-07-19 22:51 ` H.K. Jerry Chu
2010-07-19 23:42 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2010-07-15 23:14 ` Bill Davidsen
2010-07-14 18:32 ` Ed W
2010-07-15 15:10 ` Bill Davidsen
2010-07-16 2:58 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
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