From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
To: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, arve@android.com,
mjg59@srcf.ucam.org, pavel@ucw.cz, florian@mickler.org,
rjw@sisk.pl, stern@rowland.harvard.edu, swetland@google.com,
peterz@infradead.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk
Subject: Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 20:06:55 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100801200655.7edcf247@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100802011006.GS2470@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 18:10:06 -0700
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> If I understand you correctly, a key point of agreement between you
> and the Android guys is that both the system and the user have some
> say over how applications are treated by the system in terms of how
> seriously the system takes a given application's requests.
>
> The Android guys also want the user to have some say about what
> applications are permitted to have some control over "I want to go to
> <this magic deep idle state>" requests. Does that seem reasonable
> to you?
I personally think it's one of those things where... well we can get a
LONG way automatically (by just observing things); asking the users
is very very often just caving in rather than solving the problem.
Asking the user should only be done for things the user
1) Can give an intelligent answer to
and
2) Are something the user WANTS to be involved in.
(rather than 'stupid thing, why don't just do the right thing'..
think the Windows Vista security questions)
--
Arjan van de Ven Intel Open Source Technology Centre
For development, discussion and tips for power savings,
visit http://www.lesswatts.org
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2010-07-31 17:58 Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread Paul E. McKenney
2010-07-31 20:19 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-01 4:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 19:41 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-01 20:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 22:16 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-01 22:38 ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2010-08-02 0:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-02 0:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 15:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-01 19:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 22:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-02 0:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 4:52 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-01 5:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 6:01 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-01 19:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 20:40 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-01 23:00 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-01 23:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-01 23:12 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-01 23:19 ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2010-08-01 23:30 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-02 12:12 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-02 16:51 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-02 18:47 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-02 3:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-02 4:05 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-02 5:06 ` david
2010-08-02 5:44 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-02 6:06 ` david
2010-08-02 6:40 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-02 6:53 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-02 7:02 ` david
2010-08-02 7:23 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-02 9:06 ` david
2010-08-03 4:41 ` Paul Menage
2010-08-03 11:26 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-03 4:38 ` Paul Menage
2010-08-03 11:25 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-02 14:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-03 0:08 ` david
2010-08-03 3:21 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-03 4:44 ` david
2010-08-03 5:01 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-03 5:06 ` david
2010-08-03 22:47 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-03 23:19 ` david
2010-08-04 0:10 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 0:51 ` david
2010-08-04 3:39 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 4:47 ` david
2010-08-04 5:46 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-04 5:59 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 6:30 ` david
2010-08-04 7:10 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 7:35 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-04 7:42 ` david
2010-08-04 11:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-04 18:51 ` david
2010-08-04 20:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-04 23:04 ` david
2010-08-04 23:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-04 23:39 ` david
2010-08-05 0:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-05 13:21 ` david
2010-08-04 4:58 ` Olivier Galibert
2010-08-04 6:03 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 6:28 ` Olivier Galibert
2010-08-04 6:50 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 16:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 20:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-04 3:57 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-04 4:55 ` david
2010-08-04 6:12 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-04 6:48 ` david
2010-08-04 5:22 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 18:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 18:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 20:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-02 5:34 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-02 12:27 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-02 14:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-02 14:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 22:47 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-02 1:10 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-02 3:06 ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2010-08-02 14:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-02 13:52 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-02 20:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-02 21:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-02 22:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-02 22:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-03 4:56 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-03 14:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 1:34 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-04 16:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 16:35 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-04 18:30 ` david
2010-08-04 18:55 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-04 19:15 ` david
2010-08-04 19:21 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-04 19:29 ` david
2010-08-04 19:57 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-04 22:20 ` david
2010-08-05 13:38 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-05 14:34 ` david
2010-08-05 15:15 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-04 20:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 22:29 ` david
2010-08-04 23:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 23:15 ` david
2010-08-04 20:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-04 20:56 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-04 21:15 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 21:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-04 22:08 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-05 0:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-05 1:02 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-05 3:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 13:40 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-05 14:22 ` david
2010-08-05 14:29 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-05 14:33 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-05 15:34 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-05 22:02 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-05 23:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-06 0:29 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-06 0:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-06 17:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 1:29 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-06 12:43 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-06 16:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 19:44 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-06 22:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-07 8:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-07 13:35 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-08 17:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-08 19:07 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-07 3:19 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-07 8:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-07 10:02 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-07 10:23 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-08 19:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-09 5:29 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-10 2:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-10 4:28 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-11 2:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-08 19:42 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-09 4:52 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-08 19:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-09 5:09 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-05 2:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 2:46 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-05 4:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 22:31 ` david
2010-08-04 22:51 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 22:56 ` david
2010-08-04 23:10 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 23:13 ` Anca Emanuel
2010-08-04 23:19 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 23:19 ` david
2010-08-04 23:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-04 23:53 ` david
2010-08-05 0:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-05 13:28 ` david
2010-08-05 13:47 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-05 14:07 ` david
2010-08-05 14:16 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-05 14:23 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-05 5:33 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-05 5:56 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-05 13:04 ` david
2010-08-04 23:15 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 23:23 ` david
2010-08-04 23:30 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 23:49 ` david
2010-08-05 0:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 0:25 ` david
2010-08-05 0:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 5:18 ` david
2010-08-05 15:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 15:46 ` david
2010-08-05 18:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 20:09 ` david
2010-08-05 18:13 ` kevin granade
2010-08-05 18:20 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-05 20:30 ` david
2010-08-05 20:26 ` david
2010-08-05 23:19 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 8:29 ` david
2010-08-06 17:24 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 22:12 ` david
2010-08-05 20:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 20:51 ` kevin granade
2010-08-05 22:09 ` david
2010-08-05 22:16 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-05 23:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 0:13 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-06 0:16 ` david
2010-08-06 0:22 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-06 1:01 ` david
2010-08-06 1:22 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-06 8:07 ` david
2010-08-06 12:35 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-06 12:30 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-06 17:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 17:33 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-06 18:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 23:35 ` david
2010-08-07 0:14 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-07 0:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-07 13:07 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-07 14:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-07 1:00 ` david
2010-08-07 6:28 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-08 13:35 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-08 16:08 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-08 17:08 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-08 17:09 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-08 18:34 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-12 0:23 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-07 9:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-07 10:00 ` david
2010-08-07 15:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-07 20:17 ` david
2010-08-07 21:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 23:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 16:09 ` [linux-pm] " Mark Brown
2010-08-05 18:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 23:40 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-05 0:00 ` david
2010-08-04 20:42 ` Pavel Machek
2010-08-04 20:48 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-04 22:54 ` david
2010-08-04 20:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 21:15 ` Pavel Machek
2010-08-04 21:39 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-04 22:42 ` david
2010-08-04 21:40 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-05 1:58 ` Matt Helsley
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2010-08-05 3:25 ` Matt Helsley
2010-08-01 6:24 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2010-08-01 6:49 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2010-08-01 19:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 22:49 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-02 3:04 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 19:45 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-01 23:16 ` [linux-pm] " James Bottomley
2010-08-02 1:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-03 4:18 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-03 15:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-03 22:23 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 1:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-03 16:02 ` [linux-pm] " James Bottomley
2010-08-03 22:08 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 4:00 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-04 5:43 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 19:57 ` Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, take two Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 13:18 ` david
2010-08-05 13:37 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-05 23:35 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 14:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-09 7:26 ` Pavel Machek
2010-08-09 7:34 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-06 22:54 ` Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, take three Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 23:59 ` david
2010-08-07 0:25 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-07 1:40 ` david
2010-08-07 2:41 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-07 3:08 ` david
2010-08-07 13:26 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-07 21:01 ` david
2010-08-08 15:36 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-07 2:05 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-07 3:14 ` david
2010-08-07 6:15 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-07 9:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-07 9:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-07 14:46 ` Theodore Tso
2010-08-07 20:36 ` david
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2010-08-07 9:38 ` david
2010-08-07 15:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-07 21:20 ` david
2010-08-08 12:53 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-08 15:57 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-08 17:40 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-08 18:02 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-08 21:38 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-09 10:24 ` Alan Cox
2010-08-09 18:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-09 18:28 ` david
2010-08-09 18:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-09 19:18 ` Alan Cox
2010-08-09 19:32 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-10 1:17 ` david
2010-08-10 4:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-10 8:38 ` Alan Cox
2010-08-10 14:11 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-10 14:40 ` Alan Cox
2010-08-10 14:55 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-10 14:44 ` Alan Cox
2010-08-11 0:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-10 18:07 ` david
2010-08-10 18:13 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-10 18:18 ` david
2010-08-11 0:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-11 1:28 ` david
2010-08-11 2:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-11 3:00 ` david
2010-08-11 22:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-11 20:00 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-11 22:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-12 0:17 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-12 16:19 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-12 17:52 ` Felipe Contreras
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2010-08-13 15:28 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-13 17:13 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-19 23:10 ` david
2010-08-20 4:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-11 19:25 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-11 19:43 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-11 19:18 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-11 22:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-12 0:28 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-12 1:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-12 1:25 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-12 3:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-12 10:36 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-12 10:47 ` Theodore Tso
2010-08-12 11:11 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-12 11:40 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-12 12:28 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-12 12:52 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-12 16:46 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-12 18:21 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-12 19:05 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-12 19:19 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-12 19:57 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-08-13 3:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-13 4:25 ` [linux-pm] " Paul Fox
2010-08-13 4:37 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-13 15:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-14 3:18 ` Neil Brown
2010-08-14 10:41 ` Pavel Machek
2010-08-13 16:20 ` Jesse Barnes
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2010-08-17 15:00 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-13 11:09 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-14 7:59 ` Pavel Machek
2010-08-13 10:39 ` Alan Cox
2010-08-14 7:50 ` Pavel Machek
2010-08-16 11:36 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2010-08-16 15:16 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-08-17 0:20 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-17 0:55 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-08-17 7:08 ` Neil Brown
2010-08-17 15:33 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-17 17:33 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-09-04 8:57 ` Pavel Machek
2010-08-12 14:09 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-12 16:57 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-12 17:33 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-12 19:00 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-12 19:27 ` [linux-pm] " Dominik Brodowski
2010-08-12 17:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-12 19:34 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-12 19:48 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-12 19:52 ` [linux-pm] " Dominik Brodowski
2010-08-13 10:30 ` Alan Cox
2010-08-13 10:43 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-13 10:35 ` Alan Cox
2010-08-13 10:58 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-13 14:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-28 8:51 ` Pavel Machek
2010-08-31 0:04 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-13 15:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-13 15:40 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-13 15:57 ` [linux-pm] " Dominik Brodowski
2010-08-13 16:06 ` Joe Perches
2010-08-13 16:19 ` Dominik Brodowski
2010-08-13 16:19 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-13 17:11 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-13 19:08 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-13 19:29 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-14 0:43 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-16 21:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-17 12:07 ` Igor Stoppa
2010-08-13 10:57 ` Alan Cox
2010-08-13 15:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-14 7:38 ` Pavel Machek
2010-08-14 15:10 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-14 16:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-14 18:15 ` David Brownell
2010-08-15 7:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-16 16:09 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-17 15:25 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-10 14:15 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-11 16:57 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-11 19:31 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-11 21:25 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-11 21:37 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-11 22:03 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-11 22:12 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-12 0:46 ` Felipe Contreras
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